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Lane Kiffin at his best....

  • JettaPSU2001 said...

    Looks like the NCAA might be looking to punish USC some more. Of course, it's the NCAA, they just might lift their scholarship reductions.

    Yeah, not good news. I’m hoping that these factors work in USC’s favor. (1) those violations occurred back before the current sanctions were handed down, (2) the current sanctions are so harsh, (3) the violations occurred under a different head coach, AD and president, (4) the new administration has established a model compliance department and is working with the NCAA closely, (5) the guy involved is a University of Washington Booster who doesn’t like USC, (6) there was no way for reasonable compliance to catch the violations, (7) no institutional involvement or knowledge, (8) no booster involvement, and (9) Pat Haden.

    I hope that any additional sanctions are relatively painless – extended probation, vacated games, etc., and they don’t tack on more scholarship reductions. But it’s the NCAA, so you never know.

    Here’s a link to the e-mails that triggered the investigation.

    http://documents.latimes.com/schenters-emails-involving-usc/

    They certainly seem to show that McKnight and Jefferson received improper benefits. Scroll down to the last big paragraph of the last e-mail to see that Schenter was not working to help USC in any way.

    Here’s a sample:

    “I have direct access to a couple of players (nothing on paper). I just finished talking with the compliance department because I am going to put gigantic posters of O.J. Mayo (the new Lebron) and Davon Jefferson on vinyl wrapped on the bus. …USC said no it was against NCAA rules. What are they going to do put them on probation? Good!” “They or the NCAA have no authority over me…Maybe I will advertise the Mayo Clinic. Just think of the publicity or Probation for USC, not a bad choice. I will need an attorney. USC sucks!”

    Joesocal ●

  • Joesocal said...

    Okay. Some of you are just going to believe what you want. You’ll read Larry Brown sports or some other random joker and take it as the gospel because you want to. Just like all the people who think Paterno knew Sandusky was a pedophile and covered up for him. Don’t bother to actually think about the situation for a minute – just be like the worst of the Buckeye fans.

    The walk-on didn’t lose his scholarship because of Vehikite. Vehikite’s scholarship was always accounted for. He always had the opportunity to be reinstated so long as he met whatever conditions were set out for him. The walk on will/might lose his scholarship because of the scholarship limitations (still waiting on one recruit to be cleared). And he was told that when the scholarship was awarded.

    Here’s the easy thing for Kiffin. (1) Don’t award the walk on a scholarship at all and he’d never have to worry about criticism for not renewing it. (2) Boot Vehikite from the team and he’d never have to worry about criticism for letting him back on scholarship.

    He didn’t do that. So now a walk-on got a year of tuition at USC. Tuition is over $40,000. Cost of attendance is around $62,000, counting books, food, etc. The scholarship saved his parents something in between those two amounts.

    Vehikite is apparently a good person who made a bad mistake. He’s a few units short of graduating, and cannot afford USC tuition. He has never has played significant minutes for the football team and is not expected to in the future.

    What is the net result of Kiffin’s decisions? (1) A walk-on got at least 1 year of free tuition that wasn’t promised him when he enrolled at USC (and may get another if the recruit who hasn’t yet been cleared is not cleared).

    (2) Vehikite will graduate. He’ll still have the conviction on his record, but he’ll also have a degree and some public support from the administration. Better than having the conviction, no degree and getting kicked off the team being the last thing he did at USC.

    Bottom line: Two people are better off for the decisions made. The football team is no better or worse than it would have been if Vehikite wasn’t allowed back. Kiffin takes heat from random bloggers. It looks to me like he made decisions that generated the best result for the most people – except himself.

    Sometimes (as PSU fans in particular should know), the truth is more complicated than an ESPN headline. A lot of people understand that. Some don’t.

    Well said. People need to get off their high horse. We only hear part of the situation, and people go nuts over it. Its easy to be judgemental, but from Lion fans? I'd think everyone would have learned. Half-cocked is no way to approach situations in life.

    Devon Smith was a repeat problem. He had rules to follow and couldn't do it. See ya.

    If the Vehikite kid has met his obligations, both legally and school set, then why shouildn't he get a chance to continue? I don't see why the anger from some. Are you the same people still mad at Vick for his crimes?

    MDAlum ●

  • blackshoes said...

    Labeling this kid a felon is kind of harsh. I never condone a DUI. Good people can find themselves in bad situations especially when alcohol is involved. And his BAC was .08% and he was 19. Not saying it's ok but geez. In my book I can see how they let him back on the team. Dude went to jail for 3 months. Now let him live life.

    You are kind of glossing over the incident; he didn't get popped at .08 at a checkpoint 4 felony charges and he took a plea deal to get 2 dropped (felony identity theft and felony DUI resulting in injury were dropped in the plea). He plead guilty to two felonies, DUI .08 resulting in injury and leaving the scene of an accident. The incident occurred 7 months prior to him being charged, so it wasn't like he was remorseful, he was hiding from the incident.

    helpdesk

  • Joesocal said...

    Okay. Some of you are just going to believe what you want. You’ll read Larry Brown sports or some other random joker and take it as the gospel because you want to. Just like all the people who think Paterno knew Sandusky was a pedophile and covered up for him. Don’t bother to actually think about the situation for a minute – just be like the worst of the Buckeye fans.

    The walk-on didn’t lose his scholarship because of Vehikite. Vehikite’s scholarship was always accounted for. He always had the opportunity to be reinstated so long as he met whatever conditions were set out for him. The walk on will/might lose his scholarship because of the scholarship limitations (still waiting on one recruit to be cleared). And he was told that when the scholarship was awarded.

    Here’s the easy thing for Kiffin. (1) Don’t award the walk on a scholarship at all and he’d never have to worry about criticism for not renewing it. (2) Boot Vehikite from the team and he’d never have to worry about criticism for letting him back on scholarship.

    He didn’t do that. So now a walk-on got a year of tuition at USC. Tuition is over $40,000. Cost of attendance is around $62,000, counting books, food, etc. The scholarship saved his parents something in between those two amounts.

    Vehikite is apparently a good person who made a bad mistake. He’s a few units short of graduating, and cannot afford USC tuition. He has never has played significant minutes for the football team and is not expected to in the future.

    What is the net result of Kiffin’s decisions? (1) A walk-on got at least 1 year of free tuition that wasn’t promised him when he enrolled at USC (and may get another if the recruit who hasn’t yet been cleared is not cleared).

    (2) Vehikite will graduate. He’ll still have the conviction on his record, but he’ll also have a degree and some public support from the administration. Better than having the conviction, no degree and getting kicked off the team being the last thing he did at USC.

    Bottom line: Two people are better off for the decisions made. The football team is no better or worse than it would have been if Vehikite wasn’t allowed back. Kiffin takes heat from random bloggers. It looks to me like he made decisions that generated the best result for the most people – except himself.

    Sometimes (as PSU fans in particular should know), the truth is more complicated than an ESPN headline. A lot of people understand that. Some don’t.

    Well said. I applaud Kiffin for standing up for his guys. These poor kids today are put under such an intense microscope it's really unfair... Talk to some of the old Penn State players and see what they did back in the day... Only difference is things were handled internally back then.

    The kid made a mistake and paid for it - no reason to destroy to his life.

    waylander

  • waylander said...

    Well said. I applaud Kiffin for standing up for his guys. These poor kids today are put under such an intense microscope it's really unfair... Talk to some of the old Penn State players and see what they did back in the day... Only difference is things were handled internally back then.

    The kid made a mistake and paid for it - no reason to destroy to his life.

    Really? Although I am not in any way outraged over Kiffen's actions, mostly because I am not convinced, as Joesocal points out, that Kiffin did this to secure some big boost for the football team. But, I can't say I applaud his actions either. After all, there should be consequences to one's actions. This was clearly not a simple DUI. He caused injury and fled the scene. As far as I can tell, the details of this have not been released. But, I do know that it is unlikely that he would have had to plead guilty to two felonies, if the facts were favorable to him. Moreover, these are convictions of moral turpitude. I can tell you that if the same situation happened to me (and probably to many of you), I would lose my job. Yet, this kid is welcomed back with a scholarship on a football team competing for a national championship and a chance to earn his degree. Quite fortunate. He should thank his lucky stars.

    I don't wish the kid any ill will. I hope he succeeds in life, gets a degree, and learns from his mistakes. But I also don't think he is deserving of a football scholarship to USC. No kudos to Kiffin or Haden from me.

    Ramblewood1 ●

  • helpdesk said...

    You are kind of glossing over the incident; he didn't get popped at .08 at a checkpoint 4 felony charges and he took a plea deal to get 2 dropped (felony identity theft and felony DUI resulting in injury were dropped in the plea). He plead guilty to two felonies, DUI .08 resulting in injury and leaving the scene of an accident. The incident occurred 7 months prior to him being charged, so it wasn't like he was remorseful, he was hiding from the incident.

    Interesting details for sure.

    He's a great kid who made 4 mistakes in quick succession. I mean, who doesn't get hammered, get behind the wheel and hurt somebody, then flee the scene?

    Typical college kid stuff.

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