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psujmc1992 said...
Good stuff, FJP.
It should be a lesson to all who considered Joe a hero. LaVar interacted with Joe on a level that I suspect no-one on this board has, and still didn't REALLY know him. Yet people who see him on television and read about him in papers and magazines think they know what he's like? Charles Barkley was 1000% correct that athletes (and coaches) should not be role models.
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PSUVA92 said...
Have you ever heard LA's radio show? It's embarrassing... This is his "I'm a part of the media schtick". Guess what if Lavar wants to give away all his PSU stuff or burn his diploma (whatever he said a few months ago) and now he jumps on the JVP bandwagon so be it ...we don't need ya LaVar if that's the way you feel. BTW I think PSU botched this entire situation to the high heavans... but I'm still not ready to buy into the cover up theory yet...
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Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen
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PSUVA92 said...
Have you ever heard LA's radio show? It's embarrassing... This is his "I'm a part of the media schtick". Guess what if Lavar wants to give away all his PSU stuff or burn his diploma (whatever he said a few months ago) and now he jumps on the JVP bandwagon so be it ...we don't need ya LaVar if that's the way you feel. BTW I think PSU botched this entire situation to the high heavans... but I'm still not ready to buy into the cover up theory yet...
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FireJayPa said...
More like - never have someone you've never met in your life for more than 5 minutes your rolemodol or idol. Idolize your grandfather that worked 3 jobs to support the family. Idolize the first person in your family that graduated college. Idolize people that should be idolized.
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PSU42Fan said...
Well, I would argue that NO ONE should be idolized, if you think about it.
However, given what Joe had previously done for the university and for thousands of former players, I think he is worthy of respect.
Even your grandfather and that first graduate did stupid shit along the way. I know that Joe messed up here, but it does not erase FOR ME all of the good he did.
Oh, and get a new handle.
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FireJayPa said...
He lost my respect the moment he lied about not knowing about '98 and let someone run around campus for 10+ years assaulting children.
Stupid shit is driving around with a burnt out taillight and thinking it's no big deal. Stupid stuff is forgetting your wallet in a taxi. Letting someone run around campus for 10+ years is not "Stupid shit"
Eh, I like my handle.
F the NCAA F the BOT F ESPN F Sandusky
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FireJayPa said...
He lost my respect the moment he lied about not knowing about '98 and let someone run around campus for 10+ years assaulting children.
Stupid shit is driving around with a burnt out taillight and thinking it's no big deal. Stupid stuff is forgetting your wallet in a taxi. Letting someone run around campus for 10+ years is not "Stupid shit"
Eh, I like my handle.
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PSU42Fan said...
Well, I would argue that NO ONE should be idolized, if you think about it.
However, given what Joe had previously done for the university and for thousands of former players, I think he is worthy of respect.
Even your grandfather and that first graduate did stupid shit along the way. I know that Joe messed up here, but it does not erase FOR ME all of the good he did.
Oh, and get a new handle.
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PSU42Fan said...
No, I wasn't referring to menial mistakes. The point is, no one is perfect, and even those that have done tremendous good have their flaws and have made mistakes, some would consider unforgivable.
Whether it is right or not, most revere our presidents even though ever single one of them have made decisions arguably worse than Joe's.
Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen
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PSU42Fan said...
Well, I would argue that NO ONE should be idolized, if you think about it.
However, given what Joe had previously done for the university and for thousands of former players, I think he is worthy of respect.
Even your grandfather and that first graduate did stupid shit along the way. I know that Joe messed up here, but it does not erase FOR ME all of the good he did.
Oh, and get a new handle.
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Seltz said...
So no was your answer to the actual question right?
Knew what in 98, is what some wish to know. Knew there was incident with JS and a child, I think so. Dismissed after being looked at by Police, Child Welfare, and whoever else. Is there more we know Joe knew? Details? (I thought the Freeh report would show that)
The perjury talk comes from this is well. What were the questions specifically? What were the answers specifically? Combined with, and not dissected from, the rest of the conversation for context.
People have judged and concluded some things. Others wish for fact not speculation. I can never understand the outrage from people for those wishing for actual fact rather than creation. In this or other cases wherever, about whatever. Few and far between are any who are trying to exonerate Joe of any wrongdoing. But some wish to wait before passing a final 'degree' or level of blame(for lack of a better term coming to me now). Is it so wrong to wait for actual evidence?
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psujmc1992 said...
42, you have always come across as a reasonable poster. Do you know Joe personally? If so, how well? Either way, do you know enough about him to say without reservation that he was incapable of actively participating in a cover-up? I think that is FJP's point. There are very few people in my life (at 43), who I would stick my neck out for as a character witness and Joe is not one of them. Nor should he be for anyone who only knows him from afar. Not to take away from all that he has previously done, but people do good things for bad reasons and bad things with the best of intentions. You never really know.
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Trock56 said...
Drama
It is great to be able to play Monday morning qb. 1998 was not what you and everyone in the media is making it out to be. It was NOT a child rape case. The da, police, government groups looked at it and decided there was not enough evidence of any wrong doing. My understanding is they thought Jerry was weird not a pedophile. This by no means excuse what happened in 2001 but if you honestly read that report it is not very impressive. Psu deserves a lot of money back because it was an opinion piece. The facts like emails gave no information just allowed people to interpret them.
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Trock56 said...
Drama
It is great to be able to play Monday morning qb. 1998 was not what you and everyone in the media is making it out to be. It was NOT a child rape case. The da, police, government groups looked at it and decided there was not enough evidence of any wrong doing. My understanding is they thought Jerry was weird not a pedophile. This by no means excuse what happened in 2001 but if you honestly read that report it is not very impressive. Psu deserves a lot of money back because it was an opinion piece. The facts like emails gave no information just allowed people to interpret them.
Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen







LaVar gets it - smart man