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  • jrm390 said...

    It's like the person that drafted this has been reading these boards.

    They talk about Baylor, UNC, etc... They also throw in the Emmert quote about the impact of LSU football on LSU overall.

    Ha. You mean someone actually read all the pertinent documents, knew the laws, bylaws and processes, and made an intelligent document containing those things. That is just silly talk. (insert sarcasm)

    Ethan

  • z28lt1 said...

    Did you catch something I didn't? 75.d (page 39) specifically calls out the vacated wins as part of the harm done to the university.

    Is there another place where it becomes not a point of argument?

    Thanks.

    David Jones had an article (attached).

    "And the NCAA's expunging of PSU football wins back through 1998 would remain and not be a bargaining point at all."

    Can't say for certain where he's getting that, but it makes sense to me that that's part of the state's strategy. JMO.

    David Jones: Gov. Corbett betting on NCAA negotiating sanctions agreement

    I'm sure Corbett is betting that the NCAA would rather negotiate an agreement. Any such achievement would be a huge political victory for a governor with lukewarm approval ratings.

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  • RWC5113 said...

    The Paternos will be the ones to attack the vacated wins in their own show of standing at a later date. I would prefer that the state not concern themselves with that. Going to read the full document in a few minutes.

    Yep, Paternos and former players (if they can show standing) can attack vacated wins for football team. Paternos can show impact on value of Paterno name/reputation and merchandising as harm done by vacated wins. No reason for the state to go after this issue if the thrust of the suit is to address current and future economic harm to University and state.

    "Penn State has taken a lot of punches in the last six months and it's time to punch back" - BOB

    Ehoffman

  • jrm390 said...

    It's like the person that drafted this has been reading these boards.

    They talk about Baylor, UNC, etc... They also throw in the Emmert quote about the impact of LSU football on LSU overall.

    You caught me

    All4PSU

  • jrm390 said...

    It's like the person that drafted this has been reading these boards.

    They talk about Baylor, UNC, etc... They also throw in the Emmert quote about the impact of LSU football on LSU overall.

    well presenting a case of the hypocracy of the NCAA better helps the state's case.. these points are all things that the NCAA took explicit sides against or for pressing sanctions against those schools. i hope this court case gets as much media attention as the actual scandal bc this thing could get ugly for the NCAA.. their response was weak and they know they are in trouble..

    BaltLions24

  • psubills62 said...

    David Jones had an article (attached).

    "And the NCAA's expunging of PSU football wins back through 1998 would remain and not be a bargaining point at all."

    Can't say for certain where he's getting that, but it makes sense to me that that's part of the state's strategy. JMO.

    Thanks. Jones is predicting (based upon sources) how the negotiations will go, and that makes sense. The legal action as it stands does include reversing all sanctions including the vacated wins.

    z28lt1

  • For the lawyers on the board.
    How long until this is heard in court?
    As far as the commonwealth's filing of this case, how long does it take to put a case like this together?

    LBU59

  • LBU59 said...

    For the lawyers on the board. How long until this is heard in court? As far as the commonwealth's filing of this case, how long does it take to put a case like this together?

    I am no lawyer but I know the Obannon vs NCAA case was filed in 2009 and still hasn't gone to trial.

    This post was edited by MikePSU82 on 1/2/2013 at 1:56 PM

    MikePSU82

  • psubills62 said...

    Yep, time is not a factor for vacated wins. They can be re-established now or 40 years from now. That's a case that can take as much time as possible.

    I think it's an interesting point that the suits against the NCAA are almost always from players/former players, etc. - people who don't have large pools of money. The state of PA, on the other hand, has as much money as it needs. PA doesn't need the settlement because it doesn't care about the cost of litigation.

    If they win, the NCAA will be responsible for the state's legal cost.

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  • mdepsu2000 said...

    If they win, the NCAA will be responsible for the state's legal cost.

    Right, but the State's resources means it can continue the fight until it wins or the NCAA cuts a deal. The NCAA can't force a lesser-resourced opponent to settle rather than continue to pay legal fees.

    Szone08

  • MikePSU82 said...

    I am no lawyer but I know the Obannon vs NCAA case was filed in 2009 and still hasn't gone to trial.

    i would think the governor of PA would be able to get this to trial quicker than a retired NBA player.. But from doing some reading, part of the reason the trial has dragged on is bc obannon has ammended the complaint..

    I think of how quickly the the MLB case made it to the supreme court. I'm hopeful this will have a similar time table..

    BaltLions24

  • This will likely have a motion to dismiss in the next few months, briefing on that, and a hearing (maybe) over the next couple of weeks. Then discovery, which may last upwards of a year in a case this complicated. Don't know about experts, but I'd expect summary judgment filed after close of discovery. That could take a few months to brief, and around 2-3 for a decision. It may not be entirely dispositive. Then another few months on that. I'd say a minimum of 2 years to "get to court" in the sense that you're thinking. Likely more than 3.

    But that won't happen - this Complaint is VERY well-done. I've seen hundreds of complaints (and had to consider them from a neutral perspective), and this one is top 2-3 I've ever seen. It's clever, it flows well, and it's even funny at times. It covers all the necessary bases to survive a MTD (best challenge may be lack of standing, but this'll survive that). The NCAA's nuts are in a vice, and they will surely settle out.

    Edit: If a preliminary injunction/TRO is filed, we may see something sooner. In that case, the NCAA will likely let that motion play out and its settlement position will change based on the outcome, since the judge would have to find a likelihood of success (or lack thereof) in addressing the motion(s).

    This post was edited by psume06 on 1/2/2013 at 2:32 PM

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  • LBU59 said...

    For the lawyers on the board. How long until this is heard in court?

    It will never make it to court, IMHO. It will settle. Too much as stake for the NCAA. They want nothing precedent-setting here, and there is a lot of legal gray area they've been treading. (I'm not an attorney but work closely with attorneys on some hearings and such).

    strez

  • Victim No. 4 in Jerry Sandusky trial supports Tom Corbett's lawsuit against NCAA - Yahoo! Sports

    From Yahoo! Sports: One of Jerry Sandusky's victims was in the NCAA's sanctions on Penn State.

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    “Never trust a government that doesn't trust its own citizens with guns.” Benjamin Franklin

    psuproud

  • mdepsu2000 said...

    BS .. you have limits in all sports on the number of scholarships you can give.

    Call BS all you want. I have read as much in a few articles months ago, one of which was from a quote from a coach.

    The NCAA limits how many scholarships can be given in a specific sport by gender (see link). Title IX requires that you give out "equal proportions" to females and males. The NCAA does not require that you give out at least X scholarships if you have Y sport. They are maximums, not required scholarship quantities. Taking 20 ships from the football team and not moving them elsewhere would throw off the Title IX requirements.

    The silent enemy of men's sports - espnW

    Title IX is often blamed for men's programs getting cut. But as Peter Keating explains, the real problem is the NCAA's method of allocating scholarships.

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    helpdesk

  • psuproud said...

    Victim No. 4 in Jerry Sandusky trial supports Tom Corbett's lawsuit against NCAA - Yahoo! Sports

    ...and thus endeth many facebook arguments before they even started.

    This post was edited by Theweeble on 1/2/2013 at 3:03 PM

    Theweeble

  • psuproud said...

    Oh my..this goes against everything Mr. Emmert is forcing the public to accept
    What about considering what the victims think Markus?

    bluey

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by PSU2001 on 1/2/2013 at 3:21 PM

    PSU2001

  • bluey said...

    Oh my..this goes against everything Mr. Emmert is forcing the public to accept
    What about considering what the victims think Markus?

    Old Emmert never cared about the victims. He is about publicity, power and money. Hope that guy gets what he deserves one day.

    Sloepoke20

  • Sloepoke20 said...

    Old Emmert never cared about the victims. He is about publicity, power and money. Hope that guy gets what he deserves one day.

    I don't know much about legal stuff, but oh the irony if some of the victims piggyback on this lawsuit somehow to sue the NCAA and Emmert for using them as pawns. Throwing the term "victim" around, as if the victims position is the same as the NCAA's, is sad.

    bluey

  • psuproud said...

    Yep, they really care about the victims:

    "The NCAA declined to respond to Andreozzi's comments."

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • Pretty nice legal analysis from SI: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/college-football/news/20130102/penn-state-lawsuit-analysis/

    DrumsAreOut

  • cbrennansports: The most embarrassing day in #PennState scandal is today, because of #Corbett. My @USATODAYsports column: http://t.co/C08z9Ler #NCAA

    She's the worst.

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    Hesel

  • Hesel said...

    cbrennansports: The most embarrassing day in #PennState scandal is today, because of #Corbett. My @USATODAYsports column: http://t.co/C08z9Ler #NCAA

    She's the worst.

    She's a nobody. Irrelevant sports journalist who looks like Jane Fonda.

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    pwpitch

  • Hesel said...

    cbrennansports: The most embarrassing day in #PennState scandal is today, because of #Corbett. My @USATODAYsports column: http://t.co/C08z9Ler #NCAA

    She's the worst.

    Holy hell! She is a moron if she thinks this is anywhere close to an embarrassing day. Today is a good day and far from embarrassing. This day should have never had to come but the NCAA couldn't stay out of matters that had nothing to do with them.

    Sloepoke20