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LIVE from Corbett's press conference

  • So this is just my opinion, but as "unprecedented" as the NCAA may claim this is, when you look at it generally, there is a lot of precedent. As they said, the NCAA deals with competition and fairness, and in EVERY other case of criminal activity, they have not done anything. The degree of the crime does not make it unprecedented, and they suddenly drew an arbitrary line in the sand, basically saying that "if it's THIS bad, then we'll take action." There's no doubt that in challenging this, PA could pull out hundreds of instances where the NCAA failed to act upon criminal cases that directly affected football people, but not football play.

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    psubills62

  • So wasn't the BIG behind the sanctions like 110%, so if the NCAA loses would the BIG stick with the sanctions, like still making us ineligible for the BIG title game, would the state/PSU have to sue the BIG too? What a pandoras box... should get interesting.

    blackshoes

  • An Actual Lion said...

    I thought they asked a lot of good questions that we've all had though, mainly what is the standing of the governor in this case, why is it coming from him and not the AG or PSU

    I agree that some (even most) of the questions needed to be asked, but I couldn't help but notice that the tone of some of them seemed very angry. There was one female voice in particular that just seemed to get increasingly more annoyed (sounding) with every answer that was given, specifically by the lawyer guy.

    Theweeble

  • These quotes blow my mind ... I can't believe this is happening.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06 ●

  • rck127 said...

    As happy as I am to FINALLY see someone fight back against the BS sanctions and NCAA hypocrisy, this should've been done back in the summer or even sooner.

    It's to Corbett's benefit politically to defend PSU, it's not like he all of a sudden had an epiphany that the sanctions were unjust, more like he saw his poll numbers. But whatever his motivation for challenging the NCAA, I'm all for it!

    The NCAA had no business whatsoever getting involved in a criminal proceeding or passing moral judgment on those involved.

    They touched on this...

    They didnt want to act "precipitously" like the NCAA did. Also didnt want to take away what the football team and Coach O'Brien was doing.

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • psubills62 said...

    So this is just my opinion, but as "unprecedented" as the NCAA may claim this is, when you look at it generally, there is a lot of precedent. As they said, the NCAA deals with competition and fairness, and in EVERY other case of criminal activity, they have not done anything. The degree of the crime does not make it unprecedented, and they suddenly drew an arbitrary line in the sand, basically saying that "if it's THIS bad, then we'll take action." There's no doubt that in challenging this, PA could pull out hundreds of instances where the NCAA failed to act upon criminal cases that directly affected football people, but not football play.

    Like that time the Baylor Basketball coach covered up the MURDER of one of his players by another player.... like that time??? This reminds me of when Len Bias died and people were coming hard after UMD basketball and wanting them punished even though Bias was out of college and going into the freaking NBA

    blackshoes

  • Theweeble said...

    I agree that some (even most) of the questions needed to be asked, but I couldn't help but notice that the tone of some of them seemed very angry. There was one female voice in particular that just seemed to get increasingly more annoyed (sounding) with every answer that was given, specifically by the lawyer guy.

    Just the way the media works. She was trying to make someone mad so they would slip on a question. Wish someone would have told her to shut up.

    bluey

  • PSUAlum said...

    I thought his team did a good job of spinning it why they waited. They wanted to be thorough, unlike the NCAA and did not want to file this during the season. Both legitimate reasons to wait but not the real reason. Corbett knows he pissed off too many voters to get re-elected and is throwing up a hail mary. If he gets results in the NCAA reducing sanctions or eliminating them all together, he will win back the people he pissed off. He may get a portion back just for fighting the NCAA.

    As a life long Republican, know matter what the outcome of this lawsuit I will not vote for him again. I voted for Kain as the AG and will vote Dem. agian if he is the candidate for the GOP. This has more to do with his other policies than just football.

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  • blackshoes said...

    Like that time the Baylor Basketball coach covered up the MURDER of one of his players by another player.... like that time??? This reminds me of when Len Bias died and people were coming hard after UMD basketball and wanting them punished even though Bias was out of college and going into the freaking NBA

    Yeah, the NCAA did get involved in that but only after some pretty severe basketball-related rules were found to be broken. There was nothing football-related found here.

    Another issue of precedent (as was talked about before) is that the NCAA has NEVER, prior to the PSU case, used the ethics clause alone.

    Now are these things that a judge will take seriously? I have no idea. It's possible he/she'd rule for the ethics clause over its precedented usage. A judge may even agree that unprecedented handling of the situation was warranted. But I think it's one possible plan of attack for the state.

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  • Going to try to make some sense of all of this for a story.

    My major takeaways:

    1. Corbett (and the suit) are saying that the NCAA did not follow its own procedures, went against its own bylaws, and that Mark Emmert used the opportunity for publicity.

    2. The governor said he waited until now to file the suit because he wanted to be thorough and he did not want to distract from what the football program was doing during the season (this was what, in my opinion, led to the heated environment at the PC. The political reporters -- a whole different animal than sportswriters -- were questioning the political implications of the timing).

    3. Corbett is recommending that the $60 million, if the suit is successful, be given to organizations within the state that aid victims of child abuse. The decision would ultimately be Penn State's.

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  • blackshoes said...

    So wasn't the BIG behind the sanctions like 110%, so if the NCAA loses would the BIG stick with the sanctions, like still making us ineligible for the BIG title game, would the state/PSU have to sue the BIG too? What a pandoras box... should get interesting.

    I think the Big Ten covered themselves on this by tying their sanctions to the post-season ban sanction imposed by the NCAA. So if that post-season ban is lifted, there will be no further sanctions from the Big Ten.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • Theweeble said...

    Did anyone else listening notice the adversarial tone of a lot of the reporters asking questions?

    It almost had the feel that they were incredulous that anyone was possibly challenging all of the destruction that they worked so hard to create.

    It was borderline enraging.

    Notice it....Was saying to my buddy things like:

    "man some of these media members are so arrogant and DEMAND the business owners and students and stuff that are up front come and answer questions..."

    "media once again making fools of themself for being so clueless in asking questions" (saying PSU was selling out every game is completely factually incorrect and Sen. Corman jumped in and said that)

    "completely unsubstantiated stuff the media are saying"

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • Jeff Rice said...

    Going to try to make some sense of all of this for a story.

    My major takeaways:

    1. Corbett (and the suit) are saying that the NCAA did not follow its own procedures, went against its own bylaws, and that Mark Emmert used the opportunity for publicity.

    2. The governor said he waited until now to file the suit because he wanted to be thorough and he did not want to distract from what the football program was doing during the season (this was what, in my opinion, led to the heated environment at the PC. The political reporters -- a whole different animal than sportswriters -- were questioning the political implications of the timing).

    3. Corbett is recommending that the $60 million, if the suit is successful, be given to organizations within the state that aid victims of child abuse. The decision would ultimately be Penn State's.

    He had to say #3 as a politician. Note that he left it up to PSU.

    getmyjive11 ●

  • Wow..Enough to bring me out of hibernation...Stating the obvious - this is a big deal..

    RRR56 ●

  • What would be really badass is if PSU wins and get the sanctions lifted and the judge rules that any players can transfer into PSU's football program without penalty until psu hits 85 scholarship players... 0% chance of happening but it would be freaking awesome. A big F-U to the NCAA.

    This post was edited by blackshoes on 1/2/2013 at 11:02 AM

    blackshoes

  • bonovoxpsu said...

    Boy, this is a double edged sword to request. On one hand, sanctions could get immediately lifted. On the other hand, if PA loses the lawsuit, you've only delayed the sanctions another year or two.

    Unless he's a total idiot, Corbett is not filing this lawsuit without having done his homework. It would be political suicide to make the situation worse for PSU. That tells me he believes (and has been advised by expert counsel) the state has a real chance of winning. And, frankly, the opposite is true for Emmert. He's arrogant and stupid enough to have acted without thinking through the full legal implications. If the NCAA loses this case, not only will it fundamentally curb their power going forward but the NCAA will be liable for tens of millions in monetary damages. I doubt the NCAA executive committee will let Mark Emmert take that risk. They will hire expert outside counsel to advise them and that expert outside counsel will tell them to settle the case ... which means the penalties are very likely to be significantly modified/reduced. If I were PSU, I would want to wait for that to happen before I took any further action to reduce scholarships or pay any money to the NCAA. You can get money back, but you can't "undo" scholarship reductions, missed bowl games and the resulting damage caused to the program. An injunction is the smart thing to do if the lawsuit is legitimate and not just some flaky PR move.

    This post was edited by MrWoodson on 1/2/2013 at 11:04 AM

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Unless he's a total idiot,

    Some people, most people actually, will argue he is....

    blackshoes

  • FYI, It was stated at the PC that they are not seeking any damages, just lifting of the sanctions.

    TylerB24

  • blackshoes said...

    What would be really badass is if PSU wins and get the sanctions lifted and the judge rules that any players can transfer into PSU's football program without penalty until psu hits 85 scholarship players... 0% chance of happening but it would be freaking awesome. A big F-U to the NCAA.

    Even better - all teams that took PSU transfers played ineligible players and therefore violated NCAA rules.

    Totally won't happen but that's my ROFL scenario that bounces around in my head.

    bonovoxpsu

  • MrWoodson said...

    Unless he's a total idiot, Corbett is not filing this lawsuit without having done his homework. It would be political suicide to make the situation worse for PSU.

    Doing nothing was political suicide. He's in this so deep and he's just trying to save his own ass from Kathleen Kane investigating him and PSU people never, ever voting for him. He's such a scumbag. But he knew that this was his last hope for reelection, so he went with it. Can't say it upsets me (obviously), but he's such an ass and deserves to get smashed in the next election.

    Also, now both Pitt fans will definitely vote against him.

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  • MrWoodson said...

    Unless he's a total idiot, Corbett is not filing this lawsuit without having done his homework. It would be political suicide to make the situation worse for PSU. That tells me he has a real chance of winning. And, frankly, the opposite is true for Emmert. He's arrogant and stupid enough to have acted without thinking through the full legal implications. If the NCAA loses this case, not only will it fundamentally curb their power going forward but the NCAA will be liable for tens of millions in monetary damages. I doubt the NCAA executive committee will let Mark Emmert take that risk. They will hire expert outside counsel to advise them and that expert outside counsel will tell them to settle the case ... which means the penalties are very likely to be significantly modified/reduced. If I were PSU, I would want to wait for that to happen before I took any further action to reduce scholarships or pay any money to the NCAA. You can get money back, but you can't "undo" scholarship reductions, missed bowl games and the resulting damage caused to the program. An injunction is the smart thing to do if the lawsuit is legitimate and not just some flaky PR move.

    I would agree with you that PSU would ignore the scholie restrictions if they sanctions are stayed IF they were the ones who brought the suit. But it's the state, and quite frankly our brass doesn't have the balls to do that IMHO.

    This whole time the brass has wanted to show how sorry the university is, and has basically begged for punishment. I don't see them all of the sudden ignoring it and hoping the State wins.

    I've been wrong before, but those are just my thoughts.

    PSU17 ●

  • TylerB24 said...

    FYI, It was stated at the PC that they are not seeking any damages, just lifting of the sanctions.

    There are no damages they'd have a shot at winning.

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    shavisimo2 ●

  • Like him or not he said what everyone on this board has been saying the past 6 months.

    LBU59 ●

  • MrWoodson said...

    Unless he's a total idiot, Corbett is not filing this lawsuit without having done his homework. It would be political suicide to make the situation worse for PSU. That tells me he believes (and has been advised by expert counsel) the state has a real chance of winning. And, frankly, the opposite is true for Emmert. He's arrogant and stupid enough to have acted without thinking through the full legal implications. If the NCAA loses this case, not only will it fundamentally curb their power going forward but the NCAA will be liable for tens of millions in monetary damages. I doubt the NCAA executive committee will let Mark Emmert take that risk. They will hire expert outside counsel to advise them and that expert outside counsel will tell them to settle the case ... which means the penalties are very likely to be significantly modified/reduced. If I were PSU, I would want to wait for that to happen before I took any further action to reduce scholarships or pay any money to the NCAA. You can get money back, but you can't "undo" scholarship reductions, missed bowl games and the resulting damage caused to the program. An injunction is the smart thing to do if the lawsuit is legitimate and not just some flaky PR move.

    In the end, I am sure a lot of people would agree with me (most notably Jay Bilas lol), we wouldnt mind seeing the NCAA seize to exist at all.

    Let the big power schools break up and do their own thing, such as be fair to student-athletes.

    You find out life's this game of inches, so is football. Because in either game, life or football-the margin for error is so small. -Pacino

    tmaluchnik

  • shavisimo2 said...

    Doing nothing was political suicide. He's in this so deep and he's just trying to save his own ass from Kathleen Kane investigating him and PSU people never, ever voting for him. He's such a scumbag. But he knew that this was his last hope for reelection, so he went with it. Can't say it upsets me (obviously), but he's such an ass and deserves to get smashed in the next election.

    Also, now both Pitt fans will definitely vote against him.

    Lol at the Pitt dig. Always fun.

    But yeah, this is all about trying to win back votes and keeping Kane off his back. I had a good laugh when he referenced Kane and said that she "had a lot on her plate"... meaning "hey, you got this big NCAA case coming up... better take care of that before anything else!" Corbett is the ultimate politician.

    With that being said, this is fantastic. Anything that will happen from this will be a bonus for PSU.

    getmyjive11 ●

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