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  • Gents, it has been a pleasure chatting with you over the last year or so, a lot of great people on here but I am done with college sports. Will not watch a game or support anything related to the NCAA again. What Emmert did today was beyond comprehension to me.

    Does he think that a victim of this type of crime will ever come forward again knowing that if he does his entire community is going to be punnished when he does so? Will this punnishment scare univeristy administrators? It should (for any number of reasons), but I believe that it will also scare vicitms of similar crimes from coming forward in the future. Maybe I am wrong, but from dealing with many abuse survivors through my job, this would be their worst nightmare for many of them.

    The NCAA had an opportunity here to really try and make a difference - hell turn PSU football into a non-pofit - put the bulk of the money from the football program into develping programs to support abuse victims, to educating the public that it is not only ok, but imperative that adults not look the other way, take the stigma away from asking the tough questions when something doesn't seem right, create a program that will develop counsellors for abuse victims and fund it through football. Do something that actually helps victims and helps prevent child abuse. Instead Emmert made a political power play for his own benefit in the name of these victims.

    This could have been something that punnished the university and the football program as both would suffer without the funding, but that could actually do some good for victims of abuse and would not punish thousands of innocents in central PA or the student athletes at PSU.

    While I think that the NCAA is misguided in punishing the football program, that pales in comparison to what I think they have done to the vicitms in this case and imo probably future cases that we will never hear about.

    Cement your power Emmert, just don't look down at the people your stood on to get there, you might not like what you see.

    Good luck to all of the PSU athletes, students and alumni that may read this, you deserve so much better than the leadership (or more specifically the lack thereof) that you have at PSU.

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    PSUfaninOnt

  • I'm almost at the same point you are.

    I'm sure football will continue and I support the students/athletes are PSU, but I have a tough time figuring out how I can support them while showing my utter distain for our former and current administation.

    Our former "leaders" sucked and our current "leaders" suck as well.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • My subscription is up on the 26th. Didn't post here much, just read mostly, but I'm done.

    Like I said in another thread, I'd rather just fold up the program for 4 years, than to settle like this. Erickson's dumb a** betrayed all PSU fans in this.

    JMH

  • I totally forgot about the angle of the message boards.

    I hope all the people that do a great job on these sites can find something else to do and stay OK financially.

    FireJayPa

  • JMH said...

    My subscription is up on the 26th. Didn't post here much, just read mostly, but I'm done.

    Like I said in another thread, I'd rather just fold up the program for 4 years, than to settle like this. Erickson's dumb a** betrayed all PSU fans in this.

    The sad fact is that Fitz will be hit hard in the bottom line because of what Sandusky did 10-12 years ago and the administration didn't know how to handle..... I don't get how that helps us move forward or take care of the victims.

    Just adds to the list of victims. Sorry Sean Fitz but you will now be punished as well.....

    PSUDE

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    Gents, it has been a pleasure chatting with you over the last year or so, a lot of great people on here but I am done with college sports. Will not watch a game or support anything related to the NCAA again. What Emmert did today was beyond comprehension to me.

    Does he think that a victim of this type of crime will ever come forward again knowing that if he does his entire community is going to be punnished when he does so? Will this punnishment scare univeristy administrators? It should (for any number of reasons), but I believe that it will also scare vicitms of similar crimes from coming forward in the future. Maybe I am wrong, but from dealing with many abuse survivors through my job, this would be their worst nightmare for many of them.

    The NCAA had an opportunity here to really try and make a difference - hell turn PSU football into a non-pofit - put the bulk of the money from the football program into develping programs to support abuse victims, to educating the public that it is not only ok, but imperative that adults not look the other way, take the stigma away from asking the tough questions when something doesn't seem right, create a program that will develop counsellors for abuse victims and fund it through football. Do something that actually helps victims and helps prevent child abuse. Instead Emmert made a political power play for his own benefit in the name of these victims.

    This could have been something that punnished the university and the football program as both would suffer without the funding, but that could actually do some good for victims of abuse and would not punish thousands of innocents in central PA or the student athletes at PSU.

    While I think that the NCAA is misguided in punishing the football program, that pales in comparison to what I think they have done to the vicitms in this case and imo probably future cases that we will never hear about.

    Cement your power Emmert, just don't look down at the people your stood on to get there, you might not like what you see.

    Good luck to all of the PSU athletes, students and alumni that may read this, you deserve so much better than the leadership (or more specifically the lack thereof) that you have at PSU.

    just FYI, if anyone had come forward and not tried to cover this up then there would be no punishment

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    AUoutlaw

  • Bejnay said...

    Please.... Please tell me that this is a joke?

    Are you off your nut? Yes, victims of a disgusting, deplorable crime, such as child abuse and rape, are no longer going to come forward, because they will be so worried that the NCAA might hurt the institution involved...This isn't even the punishment (football program wise) that SMU got. You're lucky you even have a program anymore after this.

    That's rich.

    What happened, and was allowed to happen at the school, is disgusting. Those victims will NEVER live down what happened to them. Their lives have be RUINED FOREVER. The fact that you don't have any sense of sympathy, or any concept of what's happened to these people is sickening.

    I came to this board to get some idea of how the average PSU fan felt about this, and came to say that as a guy who grew up watching PSU football, I wished the new figures in the program the best in the rebuild, but to see something like this?

    Unreal.

    if you are looking for averages, don't look at the outliers.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06

  • I've been all over the board, and seen reaction across the spectrum. This particularly caught my eye, and I couldn't not address it.

    Bobby Bowden is once again where he belongs, at the top.

    Bejnay

  • AUoutlaw said...

    just FYI, if anyone had come forward and not tried to cover this up then there would be no punishment

    Go back to Auburn and stay there. Thanks.

    miegoc

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    Gents, it has been a pleasure chatting with you over the last year or so, a lot of great people on here but I am done with college sports. Will not watch a game or support anything related to the NCAA again. What Emmert did today was beyond comprehension to me.

    Does he think that a victim of this type of crime will ever come forward again knowing that if he does his entire community is going to be punnished when he does so? Will this punnishment scare univeristy administrators? It should (for any number of reasons), but I believe that it will also scare vicitms of similar crimes from coming forward in the future. Maybe I am wrong, but from dealing with many abuse survivors through my job, this would be their worst nightmare for many of them.

    The NCAA had an opportunity here to really try and make a difference - hell turn PSU football into a non-pofit - put the bulk of the money from the football program into develping programs to support abuse victims, to educating the public that it is not only ok, but imperative that adults not look the other way, take the stigma away from asking the tough questions when something doesn't seem right, create a program that will develop counsellors for abuse victims and fund it through football. Do something that actually helps victims and helps prevent child abuse. Instead Emmert made a political power play for his own benefit in the name of these victims.

    This could have been something that punnished the university and the football program as both would suffer without the funding, but that could actually do some good for victims of abuse and would not punish thousands of innocents in central PA or the student athletes at PSU.

    While I think that the NCAA is misguided in punishing the football program, that pales in comparison to what I think they have done to the vicitms in this case and imo probably future cases that we will never hear about.

    Cement your power Emmert, just don't look down at the people your stood on to get there, you might not like what you see.

    Good luck to all of the PSU athletes, students and alumni that may read this, you deserve so much better than the leadership (or more specifically the lack thereof) that you have at PSU.

    It's disgusting that you say this will actually deter people from coming forward. Yeah right. A lot if the victims came forward to do what was right in the face of adversity. They were victims of rape. They did so knowing that penalties would cone to a university that failed on so many levels to help them. That's the reality of the situation.

    Harry Callahan

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    Gents, it has been a pleasure chatting with you over the last year or so, a lot of great people on here but I am done with college sports. Will not watch a game or support anything related to the NCAA again. What Emmert did today was beyond comprehension to me.

    Does he think that a victim of this type of crime will ever come forward again knowing that if he does his entire community is going to be punnished when he does so? Will this punnishment scare univeristy administrators? It should (for any number of reasons), but I believe that it will also scare vicitms of similar crimes from coming forward in the future. Maybe I am wrong, but from dealing with many abuse survivors through my job, this would be their worst nightmare for many of them.

    The NCAA had an opportunity here to really try and make a difference - hell turn PSU football into a non-pofit - put the bulk of the money from the football program into develping programs to support abuse victims, to educating the public that it is not only ok, but imperative that adults not look the other way, take the stigma away from asking the tough questions when something doesn't seem right, create a program that will develop counsellors for abuse victims and fund it through football. Do something that actually helps victims and helps prevent child abuse. Instead Emmert made a political power play for his own benefit in the name of these victims.

    This could have been something that punnished the university and the football program as both would suffer without the funding, but that could actually do some good for victims of abuse and would not punish thousands of innocents in central PA or the student athletes at PSU.

    While I think that the NCAA is misguided in punishing the football program, that pales in comparison to what I think they have done to the vicitms in this case and imo probably future cases that we will never hear about.

    Cement your power Emmert, just don't look down at the people your stood on to get there, you might not like what you see.

    Good luck to all of the PSU athletes, students and alumni that may read this, you deserve so much better than the leadership (or more specifically the lack thereof) that you have at PSU.

    You are completely delusional. Portions of your response are downright offensive.

    What happened this morning will deter victims or witnesses from coming forward?!? Really??? Because the "community" would be punished? What in the world?!

    How do you still NOT get it? Your attitude is showing that the culture of football first, or "don't speak up" is still alive and well. Do you honestly think the PSU community, let alone the football program, would have been in ANY trouble if someone had taken responsibility to do the right thing, and demonstrate NCAA standards of conduct, right from the start? Come on.

    MaxieWoxy

  • Just canceled by 247 sub. Sean does a great job. GL to him and all.

    carlisle142

  • AUoutlaw said...

    just FYI, if anyone had come forward and not tried to cover this up then there would be no punishment

    Interesting coming from an Auburn poster who's team recently bought a national title and the NCAA doesn't really seem to care. What Auburn did with Cam Newton and his old man is more in the rule book than PSU's deal. Turn a blind eye I guess for Emmert.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 7/23/2012 at 11:42 AM

    Hamilton Lion

  • Lang06 said...

    I'm almost at the same point you are.

    I'm sure football will continue and I support the students/athletes are PSU, but I have a tough time figuring out how I can support them while showing my utter distain for our former and current administation.

    Our former "leaders" sucked and our current "leaders" suck as well.

    This is what I'm struggling with too.

    BoulderFish

  • PSUDE said...

    The sad fact is that Fitz will be hit hard in the bottom line because of what Sandusky did 10-12 years ago and the administration didn't know how to handle..... I don't get how that helps us move forward or take care of the victims.

    Just adds to the list of victims. Sorry Sean Fitz but you will now be punished as well.....

    No, Fitz et. al. will be hit hard because of what ERICKSON did.

    Subscriptions had only gone up since the Sandusky news hit. Now that Erickson has acted, subscriptions will drop significantly.

    Sandusky shot Penn State in the knee. Erickson gave it a death blow.

    BoulderFish

  • MaxieWoxy said...

    You are completely delusional. Portions of your response are downright offensive.

    What happened this morning will deter victims or witnesses from coming forward?!? Really??? Because the "community" would be punished? What in the world?!

    How do you still NOT get it? Your attitude is showing that the culture of football first, or "don't speak up" is still alive and well. Do you honestly think the PSU community, let alone the football program, would have been in ANY trouble if someone had taken responsibility to do the right thing, and demonstrate NCAA standards of conduct, right from the start? Come on.

    Thank You.
    The thought of a child not telling anyone he has been raped for the sake of keeping a football team from suffering is completely asinine.
    Some people will never understand I guess.

    To the OP.
    When the going gets tough, you run and hide.

    To the rest of the members on this board.
    Stay strong and support your school and stay here and show your pride.
    I know the majority of you are fighters and will not run away or turn your back on the your school or your team.

    This post was edited by ChillyBuck on 7/23/2012 at 11:52 AM

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    ChillyBuck

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Interesting coming from an Auburn poster who's team recently bought a national title and the NCAA doesn't really seem to care. What Auburn did with Cam Newton and his old man is more in the rule book than PSU's deal. Turn a blind eye I guess for Emmert.

    ah yes, but the NCAA had to cover that up. They couldnt have another Hiesman trophy winner tainted after the Reggie Bush scandal. You have the guys father on tape shopping him, but Cam never knew.....thats rich.

    Spulv400

  • Why, so we can cheer on our beloved PSU team getting pounded by Urban running up the score the next 4 years?!

    PSU_USMC

  • I have a couple of thoughts as a grad of another school. Penn State is more than JoePa, more than historical win totals, more than the people implicated in this case. It's a great university, and one whose fans and community support are outstanding, head-turning in fact.

    Somebody, a lot of somebodies I hope, dressed in white, will be rooting for the 65 scholarship players who fight on for the Nittany tradition. Hopefully PSU's great fanbase will stick together, in Beaver Stadium, and on boards like this. Take a moment and think about it. Won't every victory (and there well may be a lot of them with O'Brien as coach) taste even sweeter given the huge handicaps involved?

    The ultimate triumph over this past year of agony, both for the victims and the fans (and many victims apparently also are fans), would be for the Lions to show up and compete at the highest level, both on the field and in the seats in the shadow of wind-swept Nittany Mountain.

    Think about Coach O'Brien. About the players who still want to play, the recruits who still want to commit, the ex-players who gave their all at University Park. Stay with them. The true test of a fan is what you do on the darkest of days.

    This post was edited by taylorbuff on 7/23/2012 at 12:22 PM

    taylorbuff

  • MaxieWoxy said...

    You are completely delusional. Portions of your response are downright offensive.

    What happened this morning will deter victims or witnesses from coming forward?!? Really??? Because the "community" would be punished? What in the world?!

    How do you still NOT get it? Your attitude is showing that the culture of football first, or "don't speak up" is still alive and well. Do you honestly think the PSU community, let alone the football program, would have been in ANY trouble if someone had taken responsibility to do the right thing, and demonstrate NCAA standards of conduct, right from the start? Come on.

    Nailed it!

    kris4153

  • Some of you complain that this will kill the small businesses, yet you are also now saying you are canceling your membership here because of what happened. Why punish these guys that cover PSU for you by taking money out of their pocket. You should still support them IMO

    Living in fear is just another way of dying before your time

    Hatfieldms

  • PSU_USMC said...

    Why, so we can cheer on our beloved PSU team getting pounded by Urban running up the score the next 4 years?!

    If you are a fan be a true fan. So you are mad at the NCAA, so what. How are you going to get back at them? By not supporting the team, how does that hurt the NCAA? It doesn't is the answer. Take it from a fan of the Cleveland Browns. Did we give up when Model took the team? Hell no!! We came together and fought! Now you can argue if we really did get a NFL team back, but i digress. While I can understand you are upset, now when you school needs it most is when you should rise up fight. Support the kids that decide to stay. Support the coaches and recruits who stay to steer the ship through this mess. Oh what is that battle cry you guys always say? Oh yeah, "We are Penn St!". Well now is the time to prove it!!!

    BTW, I was surprised by the scholly reduction, but not that the NCAA handed down something. Finally, as with any comment this is bigger than sports and my prayers go out to the victims.

    Tdailey98

  • Dawg.0 said...

    Some of you complain that this will kill the small businesses, yet you are also now saying you are canceling your membership here because of what happened. Why punish these guys that cover PSU for you by taking money out of their pocket. You should still support them IMO

    So you're saying people should just spend their hard-earned money on an inferior product to support a local economy?

    I'm sorry but one of the inherit risks you take in opening up a small business is the potential fickleness of the clientele. In this scenario that we face, PSU has an inferior product therefore people are less likely to spend their money on the games.

    I'll still go up for the Festival Of the Arts (assuming it's still held there) and spend a few dollars at The Tavern. I might go up for the occasional homecoming as well, for sentimental purposes. However, I am not going to drive 3+ hours to watch a team that's playing for nothing but pride get shelled and sit at the bottom of the conference just so Zeno's or Bar Bleu can make their money.

    FireJayPa

  • I wonder when some of these clowns will realize that several of the victims are actually Penn State football season ticket holders…
    Funny how even the victims can separate the act of one man from that of an innocent team comprised of hardworking 18-22 year old student athletes.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Interesting coming from an Auburn poster who's team recently bought a national title and the NCAA doesn't really seem to care. What Auburn did with Cam Newton and his old man is more in the rule book than PSU's deal. Turn a blind eye I guess for Emmert.

    http://media.al.com/sports_impact/other/JJacobs_OC_101111_Auburn%28JAT%29.pdf

    AuburnInsider

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