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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    I visit the big board as well... and there is not one ounce of evidence of what you say, it is of their opinion. Again I ask why does this turn into a South vs North deal.

    This is my last post on this ... PM the national guys. Better yet, start a thread because I want to see their response as to which region of the country that kids are more open to flip or use schools as placeholders. This is a north v. south thing because Walton is from the south; appears to be backing out of his word and moving somewhere else. There is alot of evidence out there, but its clear you are blind to it.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Dude, everyone knows it here. Ironic that our guru did a story on Roof leaving and got comments from kids from the south and NOT from the north? There is a reason. Kids from the south aren't as true to their word as people from the other parts. Decommittments happen from every part of the country, but its is more prevalent in the south and has been for a decade or more. Go to the Blue Board and ask Shurbutt, Wiltfong or any national guy. They will tell you the same thing.

    Nostradamus, those recruits were all defensive players who were recruited by Roof. That's why they were in the article. Roof recruited the south for us. He was the point man for Walton and Gaines. He had contact with the other two. Try harder.

    beck881psu

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Dude, everyone knows it here. Ironic that our guru did a story on Roof leaving and got comments from kids from the south and NOT from the north? There is a reason. Kids from the south aren't as true to their word as people from the other parts. Decommittments happen from every part of the country, but its is more prevalent in the south and has been for a decade or more. Go to the Blue Board and ask Shurbutt, Wiltfong or any national guy. They will tell you the same thing.

    Although, I do agree that it seems like the southern players tend to continue visiting other schools more often after giving their commitments, I think you're off with this assessment. I think it has more to do with Roof being the main recruiter for most of these kids and not just because of the location.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Dude, everyone knows it here. Ironic that our guru did a story on Roof leaving and got comments from kids from the south and NOT from the north? There is a reason. Kids from the south aren't as true to their word as people from the other parts. Decommittments happen from every part of the country, but its is more prevalent in the south and has been for a decade or more. Go to the Blue Board and ask Shurbutt, Wiltfong or any national guy. They will tell you the same thing.

    You realize a big reason for getting comments from the kids in the south is Roof was their main recruiter? Roof was the one who found these kids, Roof was the main recruiter for these kids. So yes there is reason to worry that they could decommit because he recruited them because of his southern ties. I'm not saying Roof didn't play a big part in recruiting any of the North kids though. Just like FSUgoNoles said, if it wasn't for Roof he would not have been considering Penn State. It isn't simply because it is because they are from the South, it's because Roof recruited them.

    NittanyChuck15

  • bmorepsu said...

    Nostradamus, those recruits were all defensive players who were recruited by Roof. That's why they were in the article. Roof recruited the south for us. He was the point man for Walton and Gaines. He had contact with the other two. Try harder.

    And Neiko Robinson.

    NittanyChuck15

  • Would people please stop using the word "fact" when they are stating an opinion? Facts need to be supported by data.
    I’m not sure why so many people are getting their panties in a bunch over this. Are you really that insecure about the situation? I don’t think it is so bad that when a kid commits he as x, y and z offers, then he gets a couple/few more that may be appealing and he wants to check them out. This is a huge decision for these kids and I would rather them go check everything out. This way if they stay committed great, but if not then it wasn’t meant to be. I wouldn’t want a kid coming here and regret the decision for the rest of his life. Would you all rather have him decommit and go on visits?
    Noles, thanks for all of the insight. I have a lot of ties to Mobile and Gulf Shores and I definitely don’t think kids down south are any different than from anywhere else (other than maybe having more offers and ability to shop aroundlol).

    EWPSU94

  • Noles, what about GT? Roof hasn't contacted him?

    chasfcd11

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    This is my last post on this ... PM the national guys. Better yet, start a thread because I want to see their response as to which region of the country that kids are more open to flip or use schools as placeholders. This is a north v. south thing because Walton is from the south; appears to be backing out of his word and moving somewhere else. There is alot of evidence out there, but its clear you are blind to it.

    I am not blind, I see very well. It is you who is stuck on this why Walton is possibly backing out of his commitment and it is centered around him being from the South which is way off base to the whole thing.

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    FSUgoNoles24

  • Noles, where I think the difference of opinion comes from the north and south, is taking OV's after you've committed. Down there it doesn't seem to be a big deal to take them after you've commited, and kids will take them even if they're not interested in going somewhere else. Up here, once a kid starts taking OV's, that means he's looking to decommit. Basically we expect that once a kid commits, he stops looking around.

    stigs007

  • chasfcd11 said...

    Noles, what about GT? Roof hasn't contacted him?

    She has not said anything about GT.

    True story, last week when USCe visited him at his school, they called her up and wanted to speak with her. She told them she was off her break and she could not stop work to talk to them.

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  • stigs007 said...

    Noles, where I think the difference of opinion comes from the north and south, is taking OV's after you've committed. Down there it doesn't seem to be a big deal to take them after you've commited, and kids will take them even if they're not interested in going somewhere else. Up here, once a kid starts taking OV's, that means he's looking to decommit. Basically we expect that once a kid commits, he stops looking around.

    that is an assumption. Not every kid that takes visits are looking to decommit.. I know for a fact Jimbo encourages his commits to take all 5 visits.

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  • bmorepsu said...

    Those kids don't have SEC offers. Just sayin. Not sure what your point is. I can't believe I just defended a Spulv post.

    Sorry, I didn't realize only kids with SEC offers will become good players in college. I guess Allen Robinson, Jesse James, Kyle carter, Adrian Amos, etc. did not get that memo.

    kijana

  • EWPSU94 said...

    Would people please stop using the word "fact" when they are stating an opinion? Facts need to be supported by data. I’m not sure why so many people are getting their panties in a bunch over this. Are you really that insecure about the situation? I don’t think it is so bad that when a kid commits he as x, y and z offers, then he gets a couple/few more that may be appealing and he wants to check them out. This is a huge decision for these kids and I would rather them go check everything out. This way if they stay committed great, but if not then it wasn’t meant to be. I wouldn’t want a kid coming here and regret the decision for the rest of his life. Would you all rather have him decommit and go on visits? Noles, thanks for all of the insight. I have a lot of ties to Mobile and Gulf Shores and I definitely don’t think kids down south are any different than from anywhere else (other than maybe having more offers and ability to shop aroundlol).

    Kids down here use the words ya'll and aight alot.. but other than that not much of a difference..

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    This is my last post on this ... PM the national guys. Better yet, start a thread because I want to see their response as to which region of the country that kids are more open to flip or use schools as placeholders. This is a north v. south thing because Walton is from the south; appears to be backing out of his word and moving somewhere else. There is alot of evidence out there, but its clear you are blind to it.

    While I get what you are saying, I don't think it is a reflection of the kids from the south, but rather the way recruiting is done by the schools down there. Over signing is rampant and the kids know that the schools are going to do what is right for them. This translates to them knowing a school may very well tell them they are grey shirting or worse if someone "better" comes along.

    If my kid was facing this I would tell them to get the placeholder while you can and if the offer you want comes along jump on it. I don't like it and it flies in the face of commitment and loyalty, but put the blame where it belongs, on the majority of schools out there recruiting. The kids have to look out for themselves as the school sure don't and this is the only time in their career they have any real leverage to look after their own interests. You already see this creeping into the PAC and the B1G. If a kid can't expect loyalty from the school why should they give back in return. Earned not given.

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    I am not blind, I see very well. It is you who is stuck on this why Walton is possibly backing out of his commitment and it is centered around him being from the South which is way off base to the whole thing.

    Hamilton is trying to say that kids from the south are more likely to decommit than kids from the north, which is true. Go through the recruits from both areas and you will see that southern kids flip at a higher rate.

    Now, on an individual basis, those general statistics are meaningless. The fact that a player is from the south doesn't mean he is more likely to flip than a different player from the north.

    I think you're taking it too personally because of your connection to him. An SEC offer means a lot more to southern kids in general than a B1G offer means to a northern kid or an ACC offer means to an eastern kid.

    This doesn't mean Walton is flipping for that reason, and a coaching change is a fine reason. Just saying, you're overlooking some things, just as Hamilton may be as well.

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    shavisimo2

  • Just asked his mother about Roof and GT, she said he is a little upset with Roof about how he told him via text. He spoke with Roof a few days ago and Roof told him he would call him personally if he wouldn't be there. So the texting has rubbed him the wrong way, she went on to say that he loves PSU but wants to make sure he has made the right decision.

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  • shavisimo2 said...

    Hamilton is trying to say that kids from the south are more likely to decommit than kids from the north, which is true. Go through the recruits from both areas and you will see that southern kids flip at a higher rate.

    Now, on an individual basis, those general statistics are meaningless. The fact that a player is from the south doesn't mean he is more likely to flip than a different player from the north.

    I think you're taking it too personally because of your connection to him. An SEC offer means a lot more to southern kids in general than a B1G offer means to a northern kid or an ACC offer means to an eastern kid.

    This doesn't mean Walton is flipping for that reason, and a coaching change is a fine reason. Just saying, you're overlooking some things, just as Hamilton may be as well.

    I don't take any of this personal, I just felt the whole South vs North thing is irrelevant to this. I don't give a crap if you are from the north, south, midwest, or wherever. I am about who you are as a person.

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  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    If my kid was facing this I would tell them to get the placeholder while you can and if the offer you want comes along jump on it. I don't like it and it flies in the face of commitment and loyalty, but put the blame where it belongs, on the majority of schools out there recruiting. The kids have to look out for themselves as the school sure don't and this is the only time in their career they have any real leverage to look after their own interests. You already see this creeping into the PAC and the B1G. If a kid can't expect loyalty from the school why should they give back in return. Earned not given.

    This is how I feel.... but at the same time I think a lot of kids don't understand the value of the word commitment to us adults. This is a new generation we are dealing with and many things they do is something us older folks was taught not to do. Society itself has raised them to be entitled

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  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    I don't take any of this personal, I just felt the whole South vs North thing is irrelevant to this. I don't give a crap if you are from the north, south, midwest, or wherever. I am about who you are as a person.

    I agree there, as I said you can't judge an individual from statistics. Just saying, any southern commit who looks around after committing here will face that stigma that it's because he's from the south.

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  • kijana said...

    Sorry, I didn't realize only kids with SEC offers will become good players in college. I guess Allen Robinson, Jesse James, Kyle carter, Adrian Amos, etc. did not get that memo.

    Wow. Yeah I said that. Take a deep breath and focus on the next few sentences. The kids that go to Cuse, Beckman's Circus, Minny, etc. don't have SEC offers, so they don't have the option to flip, consider taking officials to SEC schools after committing elsewhere, or decommit. That is my point. Let me walk you through this: Spulv said that southern kids don't want to leave the SEC. You cited kids that left the south for northern schools, but didn't have the OPTION to stay in the SEC because they didn't have scholarship offers. Finding kids with SEC offers that choose northern schools and didn't waiver would help you make your point. This one's on the house. Hit me up if I can be of further assistance. Additional charges may apply.

    beck881psu

  • shavisimo2 said...

    I agree there, as I said you can't judge an individual from statistics. Just saying, any southern commit who looks around after committing here will face that stigma that it's because he's from the south.

    I understand, I just am not a fan of using that logic. Each case is different.

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    FSUgoNoles24

  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    Just asked his mother about Roof and GT, she said he is a little upset with Roof about how he told him via text. He spoke with Roof a few days ago and Roof told him he would call him personally if he wouldn't be there. So the texting has rubbed him the wrong way, she went on to say that he loves PSU but wants to make sure he has made the right decision.

    I appreciate the information.

    It's just concerning when he says he loves PSU................BUT wants to see if he might love another place more. As long as he has a commit-able USCe offer, IMO he's gone, and probably was before Roof left.

    PSU17

  • FSUgoNoles24 said...

    How is it a South thing... again some of you are insinuating it is limited to the South when it isn't.

    When did this whole kids decommit a south thing

    Here's a link to all recruits from 2007 to 2011 who decommited from their school. I did a random sampling of ten and eight were from the south. Randomly picked two more and they both were from the south. When I have more time I will look more closely. My gut tells me that there are a lot more southern kids who decommit than kids from elsewhere in the country (I have no evidence). Not sure why and not sure if I'm even correct on that. It just seems that way to me from what I've read.

    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/andy_staples/01/20/recruiting.commitment.chart/index.html

    strez

  • PSU17 said...

    I appreciate the information.

    It's just concerning when he says he loves PSU................BUT wants to see if he might love another place more. As long as he has a commit-able USCe offer, IMO he's gone, and probably was before Roof left.

    I can love my job but if another place offers more money and a better chance to better myself you have to do what is best for you.

    Roof leaving isn't why he is interested in USCe, there is legit interest but with Roof leaving this makes his visit that more important... If Roof was still at PSU then the visit wouldn't be as important.

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    FSUgoNoles24

  • 'MURICA!

    ...that's all i got for this.

    ArizonaLION