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Jake Waters

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Because, Bill knows full well you don't bring in a JC transfer in this instance to play second fiddle to a raw sophomore that only had 12 snaps in this frosh career. Whether Waters starts or not is not the debate. First, you have to get him here. While he doesn't have the command of PSU's offense, he brings alot more playing experience than does Bench, which amounts to something. He is also a winner as proven by his team winning a national title. While Bench has some physical tools, don't dismiss what Waters could bring to the table. You seem to be doing just that. I think I know more about Waters than I do Bench. Sorry, 12-15 plays isn't a good snapshot. He has some tools, but the sample size isn't strong.

    I would give the advantage to Waters if he makes it on campus and plays for PSU as the starter. I'm not convinced Bench is the starter if a winning and experienced JC transfer with the talents and skills of a Waters shows up on campus.

    I'd give Waters the edge over Bench as well if I had to pick who I thought would win the job. I however don't think it is a forgone conclusion he would win the job.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Because, Bill knows full well you don't bring in a JC transfer in this instance to play second fiddle to a raw sophomore that only had 12 snaps in this frosh career. Whether Waters starts or not is not the debate. First, you have to get him here. While he doesn't have the command of PSU's offense, he brings alot more playing experience than does Bench, which amounts to something. He is also a winner as proven by his team winning a national title. While Bench has some physical tools, don't dismiss what Waters could bring to the table. You seem to be doing just that. I think I know more about Waters than I do Bench. Sorry, 12-15 plays isn't a good snapshot. He has some tools, but the sample size isn't strong.

    I would give the advantage to Waters if he makes it on campus and plays for PSU as the starter. I'm not convinced Bench is the starter if a winning and experienced JC transfer with the talents and skills of a Waters shows up on campus.

    I'm not trying to discount Waters skill, although it is JUCO remember, I'm just saying people talk like if PSU doesn't get Waters they have no shot next year. Like I said I understand you have to bring in a QB for depth purposes. Maybe Waters is the next Cam Newton and leads PSU to an undefeated season, but maybe he's Danny O'Brien and ends up holding a clipboard all year b/c Bench turns out to be the next Johnny Manziel. There's really no way of knowing but if Waters is such an awesome QB why are we competing with K-State for his services and not some higher profile programs?

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    I'm not trying to discount Waters skill, although it is JUCO remember, I'm just saying people talk like if PSU doesn't get Waters they have no shot next year. Like I said I understand you have to bring in a QB for depth purposes. Maybe Waters is the next Cam Newton and leads PSU to an undefeated season, but maybe he's Danny O'Brien and ends up holding a clipboard all year b/c Bench turns out to be the next Johnny Manziel. There's really no way of knowing but if Waters is such an awesome QB why are we competing with K-State for his services and not some higher profile programs?

    I never understand this argument.

    Main question, given as an answer. How many JUCO QB's are needed by other programs? JUCO's are usually the result of not having what you need in the stable already.

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    I never understand this argument.

    Main question, given as an answer. How many JUCO QB's are needed by other programs? JUCO's are usually the result of not having what you need in the stable already.

    So you're telling me if a coach thought that Waters was better than the QBs he had he would stick with his guy rather then bring in someone better?

    If I'm a coach and I have a chance to bring in a guy that I think is better than the QBs on my roster I would do it in a second. IMO people are getting too enamored with Waters. Ya he seems to have some skill but there's a reason guys like Cam Newton are such a rare find, normally guys in the JUCO ranks usually aren't superstars.

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    I'm not trying to discount Waters skill, although it is JUCO remember, I'm just saying people talk like if PSU doesn't get Waters they have no shot next year. Like I said I understand you have to bring in a QB for depth purposes. Maybe Waters is the next Cam Newton and leads PSU to an undefeated season, but maybe he's Danny O'Brien and ends up holding a clipboard all year b/c Bench turns out to be the next Johnny Manziel. There's really no way of knowing but if Waters is such an awesome QB why are we competing with K-State for his services and not some higher profile programs?

    and maybe Bench becomes the next Rob Bolden. You need to think about that as well.

    Not trying to be a smart ass, but remind me ... what schools recruited the next Johnny Manziel.

    I know more about Waters and what he brings based on JC clips than what Bench brings with his 15 plays from scrimmage. What difference does it make? Should I have grasped anything from the hand offs versus Indiana and the 12 plays versus Virginia that gives me a nice scouting report?

    As for the offer list comment about Waters - not everyone recruits JC QBs. Alot of the big boys go with the high school ranks and don't have the thin depth chart we happen to have.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    and maybe Bench becomes the next Rob Bolden. You need to think about that as well.

    Not trying to be a smart ass, but remind me ... what schools recruited the next Johnny Manziel.

    I know more about Waters and what he brings based on JC clips than what Bench brings with his 15 plays from scrimmage. What difference does it make? Should I have grasped anything from the hand offs versus Indiana and the 12 plays versus Virginia that gives me a nice scouting report?

    As for the offer list comment about Waters - not everyone recruits JC QBs. Alot of the big boys go with the high school ranks and don't have the thin depth chart we happen to have.

    That very well could happen. I'm not gonna say it won't, I'm just saying we have no way of knowing how good either of these guys are. Listen, I want Waters at PSU as much as the next guy and I want him to throw for 5,000 yards and go undefeated and win the Heisman but right now we have no idea if he can do that and I'm just curious as to why people think PSU is doomed if they don't get him? Why can't BOB do what he did with McGloin with Bench or another JUCO QB?

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    So you're telling me if a coach thought that Waters was better than the QBs he had he would stick with his guy rather then bring in someone better?

    If I'm a coach and I have a chance to bring in a guy that I think is better than the QBs on my roster I would do it in a second. IMO people are getting too enamored with Waters. Ya he seems to have some skill but there's a reason guys like Cam Newton are such a rare find, normally guys in the JUCO ranks usually aren't superstars.

    First, how are you telling 'who is better'?

    If you are discounting JUCO as being to weak to be 'enamored', which by the way I assure I personally am not. Then how is HS any different.

    With the HS kids these guys recruited, they recruited them for a reason to begin with.

    If you need three guys (just a random number not debating schollie QB needs on a roster), and you have 3 guys you recruited thinking they could someday win you games, why do you go for a 4th. Using your logic that good JUCO player doesnt mean star(a point I agree with).

    Also, coaches get 5 years to develop their HS kids to where they want them to be. JUCO you get lets say an average of 2.5. So half the time.

    It is about team needs with JUCO kids. A quick fix. A more mature body, and for the ones that finally get recruited, or re-recruited, more mature mentally the coaches hope. Staffs find themselves in a pinch and 'go for it' with a kid basically getting a second shot regardless at D1 football.

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    That very well could happen. I'm not gonna say it won't, I'm just saying we have no way of knowing how good either of these guys are. Listen, I want Waters at PSU as much as the next guy and I want him to throw for 5,000 yards and go undefeated and win the Heisman but right now we have no idea if he can do that and I'm just curious as to why people think PSU is doomed if they don't get him? Why can't BOB do what he did with McGloin with Bench or another JUCO QB?

    I think the answer to the final questions are simple in nature.

    Why the lack of confidence in that turn around with Bench, or lets say improvement, like MM had? I say people are thinking about that maturity/age. MM was a 5th year guy out of HS. Just the generalization that improvement comes with time above the college level.

    With another JUCO? I think people are putting trust in the coaches on the one the have chosen and why not to date. Or they feel he is better than the other JUCO's out there.

    NOt to mention, which other JUCO's have the interest in return that Waters does?

    Just food for thought continuing the discussion

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  • Some of you are overthinking JT$'s question. Newton went to Auburn because he was guaranteed to start (and they gave his dad more money than anyone else). O'Brien and Wilson before him went to Wisconsin because they were guaranteed to start. There is absolutely no way BOB can guarantee this kid will start. We keep hearing about how difficult this offense is to learn. Regardless of Waters' playing experience in his current system, Bench has more "experience" and familiarity with BOB's offense.

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  • Guys cmon. We need another QB to compete with Bench. It will be open. May the best man win. Waters is a quality player. Can we just all agree with that? I don't understand the argument. We need another QB to compete- you can't go into spring practice with just one... Waters is the best on the board and we need him badly. If he works hard, I'd say he has a great shot. MM picked it up in one year. He busts his tail, he has a great shot of leading us to a lot of victories. The rest of the offense is ready to go pretty much.

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  • Waters reminds me of a poor mans Aaron Rodgers...

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  • rmj147 said...

    Guys cmon. We need another QB to compete with Bench. It will be open. May the best man win. Waters is a quality player. Can we just all agree with that? I don't understand the argument. We need another QB to compete- you can't go into spring practice with just one... Waters is the best on the board and we need him badly. If he works hard, I'd say he has a great shot. MM picked it up in one year. He busts his tail, he has a great shot of leading us to a lot of victories. The rest of the offense is ready to go pretty much.

    ? I'm just saying lets stop arguing and hope we get Waters...

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Some of you are overthinking JT$'s question. Newton went to Auburn because he was guaranteed to start (and they gave his dad more money than anyone else). O'Brien and Wilson before him went to Wisconsin because they were guaranteed to start. There is absolutely no way BOB can guarantee this kid will start. We keep hearing about how difficult this offense is to learn. Regardless of Waters' playing experience in his current system, Bench has more "experience" and familiarity with BOB's offense.

    I basically wanted to know what people saw in Waters that made them think he was this must get guy that PSU couldn't live without. I eventually got my answer via PM but I guess some people thought I was calling Waters or the coaching staff out by saying I think Bench could do just as well next year as Waters could. I agree PSU def. needs to bring in another QB but if Bench would win the job, whoever they bring in will probably stand on the sidelines for most of the season. Having said all that I do hope that PSU gets Waters because he is the best JUCO kid out there. I guess I just have enough faith in BOB and crew to coach up whoever is behind center.

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  • If the PM is being passed around, I for one would like to see it.

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  • PSUJT$ said...

    That very well could happen. I'm not gonna say it won't, I'm just saying we have no way of knowing how good either of these guys are. Listen, I want Waters at PSU as much as the next guy and I want him to throw for 5,000 yards and go undefeated and win the Heisman but right now we have no idea if he can do that and I'm just curious as to why people think PSU is doomed if they don't get him? Why can't BOB do what he did with McGloin with Bench or another JUCO QB?

    We are doomed if we don't get a Juco QB because we will have 1 QB going into the spring and then Hack will get here in the summer. We desperately need a Juco QB and Waters appears to be the best we have a realistic shot at so why would I or anyone else not want him to choose Penn State?

    Sloepoke20

  • Sloepoke20 said...

    We are doomed if we don't get a Juco QB because we will have 1 QB going into the spring and then Hack will get here in the summer. We desperately need a Juco QB and Waters appears to be the best we have a realistic shot at so why would I or anyone else not want him to choose Penn State?

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  • Texas Lion said...

    If the PM is being passed around, I for one would like to see it.

    +1

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  • Wasn't there another Juco QB they were looking at too? I thought there was a post or a blurb about one recently?

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  • drken22 said...

    Wasn't there another Juco QB they were looking at too? I thought there was a post or a blurb about one recently?

    Tyler Ferguson. He hasn't been offered yet and appears to be the plan B to Waters.

    This post was edited by Sloepoke20 on 12/2/2012 at 11:19 PM

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  • Sloepoke20 said...

    Tyler Ferguson. He hasn't been offered yet and appears to be the plan B to Waters.

    Yeah, thanks. Couldn't remember his name.

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  • Tony Boone ‏@BooneOWH
    Seen Jake Waters play a lot of football over the last few years. 17 for 17 in the second half and 23 straight completions is pretty good.
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  • Roaringlion said...

    Tony Boone ‏@BooneOWH Seen Jake Waters play a lot of football over the last few years. 17 for 17 in the second half and 23 straight completions is pretty good. Retweeted by Jake Waters Expand Reply Retweet Favorite

    The kid has size & accuracy. Mobile. These are good attributes to have in OB's system.
    They are good attributes to have in any system. He is good.
    OB can prepare you for the next level..PSU is a match for this kid. Its a matter if he likes the high ranking of K state over not playing in abowl (but maybe playing in Fla or Hawaii or oversees).
    Lets not forget the Tampa Bay QB is from K state.
    So its not out of the question that they cant develop nfl qbs.
    Lets hope he chooses PSU.
    Maybe him & Wimberly come together.
    But good luck to the young man wherever he ends up.

    jimscranton

  • jimscranton said...

    Lets not forget the Tampa Bay QB is from K state. So its not out of the question that they cant develop nfl qbs.

    Except Bill Snyder and his staff had nothing to do with Josh Freeman, Ron Prince was the head coach that recruited and coached Josh Freeman at KSU.

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  • Mann, i soo hope we get Waters... And as an icing to the cake, we get Wimberly too. That would be an awesome Christmass recruiting present!

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  • Lion_in_CBus said...

    Except Bill Snyder and his staff had nothing to do with Josh Freeman, Ron Prince was the head coach that recruited and coached Josh Freeman at KSU.

    No, he didn't have anything to do with Freeman, but Snyder has coached Chad May, Michael Bishop and Collin Klein. That is a pretty good three starting QBs right there.

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