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  • psu2013 said...

    The last 10 years PA is no where near 5.

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    Tc
    Ca
    Oh
    NJ
    Ga
    La
    Sc
    Va

    NJ should be about 8 or 9, everyone else moves up, and PA> VA....PA probably > NJ too.

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  • psu2013 said...

    The last 10 years PA is no where near 5.

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    There is no way SC > PA. Its easy to think of the top guys that have come from that state recently, but PA is bigger so more HS football is player here and certainly more D-1 kids come from PA. Historically, its not even close. Rivals gives a top 40 list for PA but only a top 30 for SC because it doesn't have the depth of a bigger state.

    GA, LA, and NJ could certainly have a case in recent years but PA has TRADITIONALLY been better.

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  • LambeauLeap said...

    GA, LA, and NJ could certainly have a case in recent years but PA has TRADITIONALLY been better.

    Ya when you include Namath Kelly and Montana.

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  • PSU12 said...

    NJ should be about 8 or 9, everyone else moves up, and PA> VA....PA probably > NJ too.

    Bahahahhahaahahahaha saying PA above NJ.

    Hahahahahahahaha

    Disclaimer: I hate Nj.

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  • Yes lets go back to before I was born to judge states. VA has better talent, and so does GA. Obviously the big three in CA, FL, TX. Louisiana per capita is likely the best. MD/PA/NJ is a toss up at best for PA. OH also better. Carolinas combined take out PA, but idk individually yet.

    This post was edited by MTayl72 on 4/26/2012 at 2:41 PM

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  • psu2013 said...

    Bahahahhahaahahahaha saying PA above NJ.

    Hahahahahahahaha

    Disclaimer: I hate Nj.

    I love a good back and forth with rational feedback and reasoning. Thanks!

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Yes lets go back to before I was born to judge states. VA has better talent, and so does GA. Obviously the big three in CA, FL, TX. Louisiana per capita is likely the best. MD/PA/NJ is a toss up at best for PA. OH also better. Carolinas combined take out PA, but idk individually yet.

    Agree with this. I would still toss VA into the toss up any given year of PA/ NJ/ MD. If we are talking elite talent at the top, MD probably wins out, but with how small it is they can't compete depth wise in a class usually.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Yes lets go back to before I was born to judge states. VA has better talent, and so does GA. Obviously the big three in CA, FL, TX. Louisiana per capita is likely the best. MD/PA/NJ is a toss up at best for PA. OH also better. Carolinas combined take out PA, but idk individually yet.

    I thought GA was the best per capita state?

    Regardless, LA is very fertile recruiting ground, and NJ is better than PA.

    PA used to be pretty good, specifically Western PA, but now that people are moving south and the population gets less and less dense relative to the South. WPA is having a revival of sorts the past few years, but it still doesn't stack up to other states we're comparing them to.

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  • psu2013 said...

    Ya when you include Namath Kelly and Montana.

    What makes a state better than another is depth because judging by just the top tier talent is too volatile of an indicator. That changes year to year.

    Rivals has a top 100 ranking for:
    Texas, FL, Cali,

    Top 75 for:
    GA:

    Top 60 for:
    Ohio

    Top 40 for:
    PA, LA, AL

    I'm not saying this is an all encompassing determinant of the prestige of a state, but its an indicator of how a recruiting service views the depth of a state. A lot more HS football is played in PA compared to NJ. Just because their top guys are often better than PA's doesn't mean its a better football state. Same with VA and SC.

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  • TX
    FL
    Cali
    OH
    GA
    LA
    VA
    PA/NJ/MD
    SC

    This post was edited by on 4/26/2012 at 3:25 PM

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  • Georgia is diffinetley better anymore, LA is also better. But IMO PA> NJ

    This post was edited by on 4/26/2012 at 3:25 PM

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  • psu2013 said...

    The last 10 years PA is no where near 5.

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    2012 Division I prospects
    Texas 371
    Florida 325
    California 228
    Georgia 165
    Ohio 159
    Alabama 94
    Louisiana 85
    Pennsylvania 83
    Michigan 67
    Illinois 65
    North Carolina 54
    Virginia 52
    New Jersey 50
    Maryland 50

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  • Seltz said...

    2012 Division I prospects Texas 371 Florida 325 California 228 Georgia 165 Ohio 159 Alabama 94 Louisiana 85 Pennsylvania 83 Michigan 67 Illinois 65 North Carolina 54 Virginia 52 New Jersey 50 Maryland 50

    Are we going numbers or quality?

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  • 2011 Numbers (D-I)

    Texas 345
    Florida 344
    California 253
    Georgia 170
    Ohio 144
    Louisiana 87
    Alabama 86
    North Carolina 79
    Illinois 73
    Pennsylvania 60
    Michigan 59
    Virginia 56
    Mississippi 52

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  • those numbers look about in line with what everyone has been saying except the additions of Alabama near the 6th/7th spot and then a couple of the lower numbers seem to be pretty fluid but PA is definitely in the 8-10 range still. NJ is probably still on the list at 9 or 10 but has lowered numbers due to lower population in the state than some others. Virginia that low is surprising.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Are we going numbers or quality?

    We can do either....

    I can tell ya bold statements made in this thread were exaggerations it seems.

    D-I Talent found per total players in states.(among major states)

    2011

    Florida 111
    Louisiana 171
    Georgia 185
    Alabama 256
    Maryland 329
    Ohio 382
    California 412
    South Carolina 425
    Pennsylvania 446
    North Carolina 446
    Texas 454
    Virginia 459

    2012

    I can list them, but PA is #6 behind Florida, Bama, Georgia, Louisiana and Ohio

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  • Seltz said...

    We can do either....

    I can tell ya bold statements made in this thread were exaggerations it seems.

    D-I Talent found per total players in states.(among major states)

    2011

    Florida 111 Louisiana 171 Georgia 185 Alabama 256 Maryland 329 Ohio 382 California 412 South Carolina 425 Pennsylvania 446 North Carolina 446 Texas 454 Virginia 459

    2012

    I can list them, but PA is #6 behind Florida, Bama, Georgia, Louisiana and Ohio

    yep....those numbers shown are ratio numbers. Now, no one really believes Texas football is 9th best but it does give it a little perspective on the quality of the HS football across the entire state. The southeast easily seems to be the cream of the crop in both categories and that has shown on the field. NJ being left off that list is surprising and funny. Seems NJ is the state most PSU fans overrate, not PA.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by PSU12 on 4/26/2012 at 3:44 PM

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  • Anywho, I go by tiers personally..and am not fussed with PA guys, or some overwhelming Pa-pride. I like PA players to do well yes, but dont care about 'locking it down' so much as others.

    Florida/Cali/Texas
    Ohio/Alabama/Georgia/LA
    PA/Virginia/MD/NJ
    NC/Illinois/Michigan/SC

    Tier 1 has the greatest overall gap.
    Tier 2 solid over tier 3 most times
    Tier 3 mostly over tier 4 most times

    When going top heavy (NFL) it is very similar looking at the last decade or so

    1) TX/FL/CA
    2) GA/OH/LA
    3) PA/VA/AL/NC/MI/SC/NJ/IL
    4) MS/MD/NY

    This post was edited by Seltz on 4/26/2012 at 3:49 PM

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  • Seltz said...

    Anywho, I go by tiers personally..and am not fussed with PA guys, or some overwhelming Pa-pride. I like PA players to do well yes, but dont care about 'locking it down' so much as others.

    Florida/Cali/Texas Ohio/Alabama/Georgia/LA PA/Virginia/MD/NJ NC/Illinois/Michigan/SC

    Tier 1 has the greatest overall gap. Tier 2 solid over tier 3 most times Tier 3 mostly over tier 4 most times

    When going top heavy (NFL) it is very similar looking at the last decade or so

    1) TX/FL/CA 2) GA/OH/LA 3) PA/VA/AL/NC/MI/SC/NJ/IL 4) MS/MD/NY

    I think that is spot on. No doubts PA was a top 5 producing state in its heyday right alongside Ohio. Sucks that we have dropped off but that's how it goes. Ohio might see a similar decline the next 20 years, let's hope PA doesn't.

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  • Seltz said...

    Anywho, I go by tiers personally..and am not fussed with PA guys, or some overwhelming Pa-pride. I like PA players to do well yes, but dont care about 'locking it down' so much as others.

    Florida/Cali/Texas
    Ohio/Alabama/Georgia/LA
    PA/Virginia/MD/NJ
    NC/Illinois/Michigan/SC

    Tier 1 has the greatest overall gap.
    Tier 2 solid over tier 3 most times
    Tier 3 mostly over tier 4 most times

    When going top heavy (NFL) it is very similar looking at the last decade or so

    1) TX/FL/CA
    2) GA/OH/LA
    3) PA/VA/AL/NC/MI/SC/NJ/IL
    4) MS/MD/NY

    Excellent post, and really all that needs to be said.

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  • psu2013 said...

    The last 10 years PA is no where near 5.

    Fl Tc Ca Oh NJ Ga La Sc Va

    This.........Harrisburg and the WPIAL have some nice top end talent with Philly on the rise but the depth isn't there like other states

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  • I really think spring football will do wonders for PA.

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    I guess I should warn you, if I turn out to be particularly clear, you've probably misunderstood what I've said.

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  • As said before I'm am glad we are getting top prospects out of NJ. But I'm sorry they do not have better football prospects than Pennsylvania. Some on here act as if NJ is the FL,CA,Tx of the northeast or something. NJ has been improving but is still not on the level of states like PA or Ohio for that matter. Same thing goes for Maryland glad we get good prospects from there, but still think PA is better. I'm not being a PA homer and I'm glad we get good prospects out of state. I won't mind if we dont dominate Pa if we get big time prospects else where.

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