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Is BOB after a different type of recruit?

  • Sean, you may have a good feel for this based on feedback from recruit interactions with our staff.

    Last few years under Joe regime, the most common feedback seemed to be a lot of discussion about early playing time. This year, seems to be more on the tone of compete and if you're the best you'll play when you're the best at the position.

    I don't want to speculate whether DOB or Switzer really were scared, that's been beat to death, but it does seem like BOB is taking more of the Pete Carroll tact which was to go after the best and tell them they'd compete every day in practice against the best, and that seemed to draw in top kids from all over.

    Seems like a lot less giving and a lot more asking and I have to wonder if that pays off in the long run with the type of kid that ends up here.

    edtee ●

  • I think there is definitely some truth to this hypothesis. I'd say that the DOB situation came down to him wanting 'safe' playing time but also wanted a more sure thing as far as wins (whether Wiscy offers that is up for debate). I will add, though, that its a lot easier for BOB to come in and play this card considering he's not tied to Paterno's recruits. I think it will be interesting to see how he continues to recruit as he starts to pile up the recruiting classes down the road.

    CZ148

  • Man, you may be onto something but I wouldn't compare anything that BOB does to Pete Carroll! That guy makes my skin crawl and he left that program at USC a wreck.

    Jfelt

  • Pete Carrol got a lot of kids with $100 handshakes, beautiful beaches and women.

    It's similar to Texas in that a monkey could coach there and they'd still pull in a 5* recruit.

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  • I think all the top programs do this. Bring in the best talent and have them compete. USC did it very well in their prime. OSU does it. And now, Bama is doing it very well. Only time will tell if PSU under BOB goes down this same path. I for one hope so.

    DesotoJoe

  • Jfelt said...

    Man, you may be onto something but I wouldn't compare anything that BOB does to Pete Carroll! That guy makes my skin crawl and he left that program at USC a wreck.

    Bust Pete for his "ethical issues" but his coaching was very good.

    He took a washed up program and made it the "highway to the NFL" in only a few years.

    It is a PRO concept that "Everybody better be ready because the start goes to the best...seniority only counts if you are a janitor".

    That IS different to Joe's philosophy that you "earn"your start by being a loyal soldier and doing things the "right way". That is honorable but doesn't put the best "Players"on the field.

    I wonder if OB will tend to Petes academic views as well?

    Pete believed that "Eligibility"is a players responsibility, he would provide help if a kid asked, but it was totally on the kid to get it done in the classroom.

    If you were eligible you played, if not you didn't. Scholarships were not renewed for ineligible players...in other words by, by.

    Pete also let the school and cops handle discipline off the field, like your boss. If you got in trouble,with the school you got the punishment the school dealt. Same for the law...ie a traffic ticket had nothing to do with the football program. You didn't practice or play if you were suspended from school or in jail, otherwise you did.

    It is an "adult" way of handling players. The coaches weren't like parents, more like profs...come to class do your job and get a reward...if you don't ...by, by.

    FLY ●

  • DesotoJoe said...

    I think all the top programs do this. Bring in the best talent and have them compete. USC did it very well in their prime. OSU does it. And now, Bama is doing it very well. Only time will tell if PSU under BOB goes down this same path. I for one hope so.

    Getting people to buy in is the key, at least starting out.

    If BOB comes in and starts winning some ball games, the rest takes care of itself as long as the staff doesn't get lazy.

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  • I think the OP is imagining things -- guys have to compete for playing time where ever they go, and that hasn't changed at PSU.

    The only difference I see is that this staff has made a lot more offers early in the game -- the last staff offered the top guys early then waited until May or so to offer guys further down in the pecking order, and maybe a guy like Foster wouldn't have an offer because of his grades. But that's just an insignificant change in timing, so isn't very important.

    This post was edited by jetli on 3/30/2012 at 12:20 PM

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  • FLY said...

    Bust Pete for his "ethical issues" but his coaching was very good.

    He took a washed up program and made it the "highway to the NFL" in only a few years.

    It is a PRO concept that "Everybody better be ready because the start goes to the best...seniority only counts if you are a janitor".

    That IS different to Joe's philosophy that you "earn"your start by being a loyal soldier and doing things the "right way". That is honorable but doesn't put the best "Players"on the field.

    I wonder if OB will tend to Petes academic views as well?

    Pete believed that "Eligibility"is a players responsibility, he would provide help if a kid asked, but it was totally on the kid to get it done in the classroom.

    If you were eligible you played, if not you didn't. Scholarships were not renewed for ineligible players...in other words by, by.

    Pete also let the school and cops handle discipline off the field, like your boss. If you got in trouble,with the school you got the punishment the school dealt. Same for the law...ie a traffic ticket had nothing to do with the football program. You didn't practice or play if you were suspended from school or in jail, otherwise you did.

    It is an "adult" way of handling players. The coaches weren't like parents, more like profs...come to class do your job and get a reward...if you don't ...by, by.

    I do tend to agree with a bunch of this. However, I find it hard to believe a guy that graduated from Brown and one who is following in the footsteps of Paterno, who he did have a high amount of success with graduation rates and preached academics, that BOB would take that same approach Petey did at USCw.

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  • edtee said...

    Sean, you may have a good feel for this based on feedback from recruit interactions with our staff.

    Last few years under Joe regime, the most common feedback seemed to be a lot of discussion about early playing time. This year, seems to be more on the tone of compete and if you're the best you'll play when you're the best at the position.

    I don't want to speculate whether DOB or Switzer really were scared, that's been beat to death, but it does seem like BOB is taking more of the Pete Carroll tact which was to go after the best and tell them they'd compete every day in practice against the best, and that seemed to draw in top kids from all over.

    Seems like a lot less giving and a lot more asking and I have to wonder if that pays off in the long run with the type of kid that ends up here.

    I would agree that the Paterno era recruting transitioned to discussing early playing time, evident when PSU landed D. WIlliams and J. King. IMO, BOB does not have the luxury to make those promises..yet, if that's the direction he wants to go in. Once BOB gets a full class under his watch, he'll be able to do more.

    I'm really not sure why many are upset that DOB picked Wis? Was he really that good? Yes, he broke records in the ACC as a underclassman, but consider the ACC as a conference the past few years. I've heard th arguement that DOB's production went down due to a coaching change/offensive system...but isn't that a red flag to that? If he was that good, wouldn't the new coach have played to his strengths? Back to the coaching change, it would be a coaching change regardless of which team he picked..psu or wis.

    DOB, made the best choice..for HIM. The competition was a big factor...do you really think DOB didn't gauge how he would against bolden, mcgloin, jones?? Please dont be that naive. Top players never shy away from competition...we all know the saying "to be the best, you have to beat the best." Anyway, I wish DOB well, but I guarentee by mid season, DOB will not be the starter or will be placed in a QB rotation. I do not see him doing well.

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    Steelman31

  • FLY said...

    Bust Pete for his "ethical issues" but his coaching was very good.

    He took a washed up program and made it the "highway to the NFL" in only a few years.

    It is a PRO concept that "Everybody better be ready because the start goes to the best...seniority only counts if you are a janitor".

    That IS different to Joe's philosophy that you "earn"your start by being a loyal soldier and doing things the "right way". That is honorable but doesn't put the best "Players"on the field.

    I wonder if OB will tend to Petes academic views as well?

    Pete believed that "Eligibility"is a players responsibility, he would provide help if a kid asked, but it was totally on the kid to get it done in the classroom.

    If you were eligible you played, if not you didn't. Scholarships were not renewed for ineligible players...in other words by, by.

    Pete also let the school and cops handle discipline off the field, like your boss. If you got in trouble,with the school you got the punishment the school dealt. Same for the law...ie a traffic ticket had nothing to do with the football program. You didn't practice or play if you were suspended from school or in jail, otherwise you did.

    It is an "adult" way of handling players. The coaches weren't like parents, more like profs...come to class do your job and get a reward...if you don't ...by, by.

    So you'd say the same about Barry Switzer, Urban Meyer, Jim Tressel, Larry Coker, and Steve Spurrier?

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