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I am sorry guys but I am really freakin' irritated.

  • There are not many guys that I respect more than Diddy when it comes to PSU football (I have learned over 3 years of reading on BWI the guy knows his stuff and there are not many guys I respect more) and I agree with his "hot hand" phiolosophy on McGloin. And I can't disagree with his #'s, I would be an idiot to try to. But no one here can tell me that the playcalling did not alter in some way when McGloin came in. That is where I have an issue.
    How many straight drop backs did McGloin have to sit back there and read blitzes and pick up hot routes, as opposed to what Bolden had? Play action, bootlegs, moving the pocket, all I want is a legit comparison, and we did not see it.
    If McGloin gives us the best chance to win I am OK with him playing. What I am not OK with is yanking the kid (Bolden) after not giving him the same chance to move the offense with the the playcalling that McGloin did. The Minnesota game they moved Bolden, they moved the pocket and he played very well. But we give him a couple of series of drop back, be a sitting duck and if I am a Defensive co-ordinator I would start blitzing him too, until the offense changes their philosophy. But the philosophy did not change until McGloin came in.
    I do not like to ridiculously negative posts but this is still bugging me. I still rooted my a** off and got a little misty at the end of the game, but I just don't see the "fairness" of this competition. Tear me up if you must, boo me, I'll take the negative points, but I really believe Bolden would give us the same chance to win if the playcalling was the same when he was in there.

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  • you gotta admit J, that Bolden doesn't have the pocket awareness that McGloin does, and I think that's the the biggest issue. Both of the sacks Bolden took, the pressure was right in his face, and he could have gotten rid of the ball.

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  • Jmaus,

    Give Rob some time. MM is playing care free and just letting it go. He may not have the physical attributes people may love, but he certainly has a little bit of the IT factor. I would same the same thing about Persa who lost today...guy is a baller. People are getting to caught up on today or the last 3 weeks. PSU couldn't score against Temple, Kent, Ill., 6 points combined against Iowa and Bama. I think that is what diddy is saying as right now MM has the team responding. Hell the right side of the OL looked like a 80's OL tonight (I know it's NW, so spare the response) and they responded well the last 2 weeks. Let's stop with the Rob hasn't had his chances line as he was the starter from day one. If you can't see the team playing at a higher level the last two weeks as compared to the Kent State game...I don't know what to tell you. I'm not expecting either kid to win next week, but I don't see how you can bench MM right now...just don't see it.

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  • Jmaus24 said...

    There are not many guys that I respect more than Diddy when it comes to PSU football (I have learned over 3 years of reading on BWI the guy knows his stuff and there are not many guys I respect more) and I agree with his "hot hand" phiolosophy on McGloin. And I can't disagree with his #'s, I would be an idiot to try to. But no one here can tell me that the playcalling did not alter in some way when McGloin came in. That is where I have an issue. How many straight drop backs did McGloin have to sit back there and read blitzes and pick up hot routes, as opposed to what Bolden had? Play action, bootlegs, moving the pocket, all I want is a legit comparison, and we did not see it. If McGloin gives us the best chance to win I am OK with him playing. What I am not OK with is yanking the kid (Bolden) after not giving him the same chance to move the offense with the the playcalling that McGloin did. The Minnesota game they moved Bolden, they moved the pocket and he played very well. But we give him a couple of series of drop back, be a sitting duck and if I am a Defensive co-ordinator I would start blitzing him too, until the offense changes their philosophy. But the philosophy did not change until McGloin came in. I do not like to ridiculously negative posts but this is still bugging me. I still rooted my a** off and got a little misty at the end of the game, but I just don't see the "fairness" of this competition. Tear me up if you must, boo me, I'll take the negative points, but I really believe Bolden would give us the same chance to win if the playcalling was the same when he was in there.

    Thank you, I may have someone on my side here. It's what I've been saying all night. They move McGloin, buy him time but expect RB to drop back and sit behind this stinky O-line?? I don't get it either. Good post.

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  • I said this in the other thread...the playcalling is different because of the staff's difference in comfort level with the two kids. RB is not at a point where he can run the full offense IMO. If we brought Newsome on the field, we couldn't run 50% of the offense.

    You guys keep repeating the same two words...fair and feelings. Those words don't exist in a football coach's vocabulary. As fans, we want RB to succeed...but the coach must recognize that he's struggling and make a difficult move devoid of fairness or feelings. In sports, it can be a skewed decision...there can be a favorite...all things don't need to be considered equally.

    Schematically, the move forced alterations in NW's gameplan which gave us the advantage. They were going to continue to blitz Bolden all night long. Knowing that McGloin wouldn't be so simply fooled by their disguises, they pulled their feet off the gas. It freed us up to do more things offensively as well. The fact that opposing coaches respect McGloin's ability and call a more conservative defense against him should give you a clear indication of the current capacities of the two players.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Schematically, the move forced alterations in NW's gameplan which gave us the advantage. They were going to continue to blitz Bolden all night long. Knowing that McGloin wouldn't be so simply fooled by their disguises, they pulled their feet off the gas. It freed us up to do more things offensively as well. The fact that opposing coaches respect McGloin's ability and call a more conservative defense against him should give you a clear indication of the current capacities of the two players.

    Diddy, I understand what you are saying here, but I have to ask: How do opposing coaches know so certainly that McGloin won't be so easily fooled? I mean it's not like there's loads of tape on the guy that opposing D co-ordinators are watching. Is it not just more of a sense of the unknown with McGloin for opposing D's? Do they really respect McGloin's ability that much that they call that much more of a conservative game? I think you're right in that MM maybe has a better grasp on the playbook, but they also certainly use him differently. Why do they not roll out Bolden more, move him around in the pocket more, buy him a little extra time? He did it with success at Minnesota and it would be better for him than standing like a statue in the backfield.
    I would like to reiterate that the coaches decisions payed off to day. I don't root for a number, never have, and never said anything about a players feelings, I know that team comes before individual. All I wonder about was their motivation, Bolden hardly played today and they didn't seem to give him much of a chance to settle in to the game, whereas they did give MM that opportunity.
    But quite frankly, I don't care who plays, as long as a W appears in the results column.

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  • tdiddy said...

    You guys keep repeating the same two words...fair and feelings. Those words don't exist in a football coach's vocabulary.

    Diddy, I agree with you that 99.99% of the time fair does not exist in a college coaches vocab. . . We just happen to root for the one school where the coach believes in fairness. . . look back a few weeks to Joe Pa's PC. . . I cannot find it but I am pretty sure he said it would not be fair regarding playing Redd more than Green. . . Joe is the exception to the rule here man

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  • It's not just fairness...it's being logical.

    2 series, move the ball into NW territory. Get benched.

    3 series, only get the ball in NW territory once because of a shanked punt. Keep playing.

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  • PK5 said...

    It's not just fairness...it's being logical.

    2 series, move the ball into NW territory. Get benched.

    3 series, only get the ball in NW territory once because of a shanked punt. Keep playing.

    Totally. . . they would have had the same number of turnovers too if that guy on NW remembered to bring his hands to the game

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  • springbok said...

    Diddy, I understand what you are saying here, but I have to ask: How do opposing coaches know so certainly that McGloin won't be so easily fooled? I mean it's not like there's loads of tape on the guy that opposing D co-ordinators are watching. Is it not just more of a sense of the unknown with McGloin for opposing D's? Do they really respect McGloin's ability that much that they call that much more of a conservative game? I think you're right in that MM maybe has a better grasp on the playbook, but they also certainly use him differently. Why do they not roll out Bolden more, move him around in the pocket more, buy him a little extra time? He did it with success at Minnesota and it would be better for him than standing like a statue in the backfield. I would like to reiterate that the coaches decisions payed off to day. I don't root for a number, never have, and never said anything about a players feelings, I know that team comes before individual. All I wonder about was their motivation, Bolden hardly played today and they didn't seem to give him much of a chance to settle in to the game, whereas they did give MM that opportunity. But quite frankly, I don't care who plays, as long as a W appears in the results column.

    First, the unknown is a powerful weapon. Second, they know McGloin is willing to go down the field (perhaps too willing) where Bolden simply is not. I'm told from friends of mine who are at every game that RB absolutely balks at open opportunities down the field and prefers to stay in his comfort zone underneath. We can't see that stuff on TV. His mistakes have made him timid. McGloin doesn't have that issue. In fact, the kid is probably rather overconfident.

    The reality is that, for whatever reason, NW completely changed their defensive gameplan when McGloin entered the game, and it gave us the advantage. Their LB's were spread out rather than playing closer to line and blitzing. This allowed our interior OL to repeatedly get to the second level in the run game. It also led to the effectiveness of the screen game. They also had to relax their safeties to respect the deep ball. Defenses tend to play tight to the line and really pressure Bolden to take away his underneath routes with limited help overtop. They know that a. he won't go down the field b. he clings to his underneath route c. if the underneath route isn't there, they have a good chance to force a bad decision and a turnover d. he's not a threat to run. Perhaps, people just need to deal with the fact that RB is not a Heisman candidate as a true freshman. He's a kid who can be schemed against. Perhaps, the walk-on sophomore is simply a better player right now who creates more issues for defenses.

    And I'm tired of the "rolling out" nonsense. RB's footwork stinks. His first rollout today was slow and lazy. He's clearly more comfortable with traditional drops in the pocket. I think RB is much more of a pro-set QB than people realize. I have no idea why he was ever classified as a dual threat. He's more of a statue than McGloin

    Let the kid learn and mature. The best place for him to do that looks like the practice field rather than the game field at this point.

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  • PK5 said...

    It's not just fairness...it's being logical.

    2 series, move the ball into NW territory. Get benched.

    3 series, only get the ball in NW territory once because of a shanked punt. Keep playing.

    Thankfully, the staff looks at more than just the face value. They knew something you didn't. And they were right. In your case, "logic" is based on your pre-set criteria. Why don't you add in the dimension of turnovers? Sacks allowed? Open receivers missed? Wrong reads made? Dropped passes? Then, add in the human dimension which cannot be quantified by five series in one game but rather 6 months of practice, personal observation, and film study. Taking that greater "logic" (or as others call it, expertise) they stuck with a decision which yielded 5 straight TD drives and a come from behind double digit victory. Everyone knows that I am far from a Paterno apologist but this exercise proves why one man has won 400 games and the rest of us are sitting in the stands watching him do it.

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  • tdiddy said...

    Thankfully, the staff looks at more than just the face value. They knew something you didn't. And they were right. In your case, "logic" is based on your pre-set criteria. Why don't you add in the dimension of turnovers? Sacks allowed? Open receivers missed? Wrong reads made? Dropped passes? Then, add in the human dimension which cannot be quantified by five series in one game but rather 6 months of practice, personal observation, and film study. Taking that greater "logic" (or as others call it, expertise) they stuck with a decision which yielded 5 straight TD drives and a come from behind double digit victory. Everyone knows that I am far from a Paterno apologist but this exercise proves why one man has won 400 games and the rest of us are sitting in the stands watching him do it.

    I'm not saying they should have taken McGloin out. I'm glad they gave him time to settle in, I'm glad they were patient with him, I'm glad they were right, I'm glad they were wrong. They know more than me. I'm not saying they don't. I'm not calling them the worst coaching staff in america like everyone else does when they do something wrong. I just wanted to see Bolden get more of a chance. Does the staff know something I don't know? Probably. But why would I argue in favor of something I don't know? I'm arguing in favor of what I know, as strictly a fan.

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  • At this point, it doesn't make me happy, but the results show that McGloin is working better than Bolden. Is it because of an improved running game? Maybe. Is it because of his leadership? Maybe. Whatever it is, McGloin is helping the offense significantly.

    From what diddy is saying, it seems that we, as fans, may underestimate the quarterback qualities that Joe Pa and the staff always places a strong emphasis on: age and experience. It sounds to me like Bolden's issues can be easily corrected, especially during an offseason. If he understands that the coaches are simply trying to win now, and that he's still a big part of their future plans...then I'm not sure it's a big issue.

    Assuming things go as expected next weekend, we may see a decent amount of Bolden anyway, once the game is out of hand.

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  • PK5 said...

    I'm not saying they should have taken McGloin out. I'm glad they gave him time to settle in, I'm glad they were patient with him, I'm glad they were right, I'm glad they were wrong. They know more than me. I'm not saying they don't. I'm not calling them the worst coaching staff in america like everyone else does when they do something wrong. I just wanted to see Bolden get more of a chance. Does the staff know something I don't know? Probably. But why would I argue in favor of something I don't know? I'm arguing in favor of what I know, as strictly a fan.

    Fair enough.

    From my perspective as a fan, Bolden was on the rocks and they made the call at the right time. It's an opinion call, and no one's opinion is wrong. Thankfully, their decision was the right one and worked out. As I said elsewehere, it could've just as easily backfired and we would all be here roasting them for it right now. Since it worked, they deserve credit. I'm always critical when they make mistakes, so it's only fair to pay them credit for making the right call...even though it was an "illogical" one to some. That's what they get paid the big bucks to do.

    Now, let's do less catfight and more cheers. This was a great day for all PSU fans. It should be celebrated.

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  • Jmaus24 said...

    There are not many guys that I respect more than Diddy when it comes to PSU football (I have learned over 3 years of reading on BWI the guy knows his stuff and there are not many guys I respect more) and I agree with his "hot hand" phiolosophy on McGloin.

    There has been your problem, you have been reading the wrong board. cool

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