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  • Trock56 said...

    Would bama be better then. If you could bring the whole team to the nfl with Saban as coach the roster would be better then at least 6-7 teams

    The answer is NONE!

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  • One of the dumbest questions I've ever seen asked on this board. Hope you were just kidding.

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  • Might as well pile on. Yeah, Kansas City would steam roll Bama. It would crack me up watching McCarron trying to read an NFL defense, not to mention they'd lose their advantage of overpowering teams.

    stigs007

  • Ok I came back to take my beating. To many captains and thinking about there skill players and OL in the future not at the current state made me go over the top. All is good. Please move this thread to the crow thread

    Trock56 ●

  • Trock56 said...

    Ok I came back to take my beating. To many captains and thinking about there skill players and OL in the future not at the current state made me go over the top. All is good. Please move this thread to the crow thread

    I will get you back on the +1 for humility

    Ethan ●

  • Make this more interesting. If you could go back and pick from any players that have left bama since 2009 draft as sort of an a 5yr bama all start team how do you think they do?

    All ridiculously hypothetical of course, but look at other college teams over the same period, a few teams have a lot of great players but I don't think they could field a full team that could compete, but from the line out Bama would field what appears to be a pretty decent NFL caliber team over that time period IMO. Biggest issues would be at QB and WR with the obvious exception of Jones.

    That any college team would be competitive in the NFL is just not realistic, but that fact that they could take a bama all start team of players from the last five years and build a decent NFL team out of it is still remarkable and shows where their program is at.

    Had to do a little looking and not all that familiar with their rosters but:

    QB - Mcelroy RB - Richardson, Ingram TE - Smelley WR - J. Jones, Cooper, Maze OT - A. Smith, Carpenter, Fluker. Kouandju
    OG - M. Johnson, Warmack C - Caldwell, Jones

    DT - Dareus, Chapman, Williams DE - Cody, Deaderick LB - McLain, Hightower, Upshaw, Johnson CB - Kirkpatrick, Millner, K. Jackson, Arenas S - Barron, Lester, R. Johnson

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  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    Make this more interesting. If you could go back and pick from any players that have left bama since 2009 draft as sort of an a 5yr bama all start team how do you think they do?

    All ridiculously hypothetical of course, but look at other college teams over the same period, a few teams have a lot of great players but I don't think they could field a full team that could compete, but from the line out Bama would field what appears to be a pretty decent NFL caliber team over that time period IMO. Biggest issues would be at QB and WR with the obvious exception of Jones.

    That any college team would be competitive in the NFL is just not realistic, but that fact that they could take a bama all start team of players from the last five years and build a decent NFL team out of it is still remarkable and shows where their program is at.

    Had to do a little looking and not all that familiar with their rosters but:

    QB - Mcelroy RB - Richardson, Ingram TE - Smelley WR - J. Jones, Cooper, Maze OT - A. Smith, Carpenter, Fluker. Kouandju OG - M. Johnson, Warmack C - Caldwell, Jones

    DT - Dareus, Chapman, Williams DE - Cody, Deaderick LB - McLain, Hightower, Upshaw, Johnson CB - Kirkpatrick, Millner, K. Jackson, Arenas S - Barron, Lester, R. Johnson

    What's the scenario, the college version of these Bama players or the current NFL ones? Frankly, I don't think Bama's players are that exceptional in the NFL. The only one that looks like he'll be perennial Pro Bowler is Richardson.

    Edit, either way they lose. QB is very weak, TR is good, WR's aren't good outside of Jones. Plus, I see very little pass rush coming from that defense. Good NFL QB's would carve that up.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by stigs007 on 1/8/2013 at 8:20 AM

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  • stigs007 said...

    What's the scenario, the college version of these Bama players or the current NFL ones? Frankly, I don't think Bama's players are that exceptional in the NFL. The only one that looks like he'll be perennial Pro Bowler is Richardson.

    I guess you would have to take them as they are now. Hard to project how the current ones are going to go. I would suggest that Julio Jones is going to be a top WR for a while and Warmack looks to be a can't miss type guy. Wasn't saying this team would play for the championship, truthfully still think they would have trouble making the playoffs, but think they would beat a few teams and possibly contend for the playoffs if players developed as expected.

    Admittedly, its hard to win in todays NFL w/o a QB.

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  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    I guess you would have to take them as they are now. Hard to project how the current ones are going to go. I would suggest that Julio Jones is going to be a top WR for a while and Warmack looks to be a can't miss type guy. Wasn't saying this team would play for the championship, truthfully still think they would have trouble making the playoffs, but think they would beat a few teams and possibly contend for the playoffs if players developed as expected.

    Admittedly, its hard to win in todays NFL w/o a QB.

    That team would be tough against the run but I'm not sure they'd have much of a pass rush, and I'm not sure how good that secondary is. As for the offense, they'd struggle, might run the ball well, but again it's tough to say how good the oline would really be. I think that team struggles to make the playoffs.

    stigs007

  • stigs007 said...

    That team would be tough against the run but I'm not sure they'd have much of a pass rush, and I'm not sure how good that secondary is. As for the offense, they'd struggle, might run the ball well, but again it's tough to say how good the oline would really be. I think that team struggles to make the playoffs.

    I would agree with that. Secondary would depend on Millner being as good as projected. There would be no real depth to speak of either which would obviously be an issue for a real team.

    I was just impressed by the fact that they might be able to field a team that could win some games. Couldn't find another college team over the same period that would even be close.

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  • Trock56 said...

    Ok I came back to take my beating. To many captains and thinking about there skill players and OL in the future not at the current state made me go over the top. All is good. Please move this thread to the crow thread

    I almost posted a giving you the benefit of the doubt because drinking might have been involved last night.

    gemrich ●

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    I would agree with that. Secondary would depend on Millner being as good as projected. There would be no real depth to speak of either which would obviously be an issue for a real team.

    I was just impressed by the fact that they might be able to field a team that could win some games. Couldn't find another college team over the same period that would even be close.

    I hate saying it, nor do I have any desire to look it up, but OSU might field a pretty good team.

    stigs007

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    I guess you would have to take them as they are now. Hard to project how the current ones are going to go. I would suggest that Julio Jones is going to be a top WR for a while and Warmack looks to be a can't miss type guy. Wasn't saying this team would play for the championship, truthfully still think they would have trouble making the playoffs, but think they would beat a few teams and possibly contend for the playoffs if players developed as expected.

    Admittedly, its hard to win in todays NFL w/o a QB.

    Just stick with the last sentence and reconsider the first paragraph.

    gemrich ●

  • stigs007 said...

    I hate saying it, nor do I have any desire to look it up, but OSU might field a pretty good team.

    Starting from 09?

    gemrich ●

  • gemrich said...

    Starting from 09?

    No I wasn't thinking that. If that's the criteria, then I retract that.

    stigs007

  • stigs007 said...

    No I wasn't thinking that. If that's the criteria, then I retract that.

    I just assumed we were talking that time frame since the Bama roster was done from 09. Also, I think that roster, as impressive as it is all things considered, struggles to win a game simply because of depth/QB issues. We could debate the rest of the positions all day long, but you don't even have a remotely serviceable QB. Teams would just stuff the box and that would be that. And that defense certainly isn't going to dominate anyone.

    gemrich ●

  • stigs007 said...

    What's the scenario, the college version of these Bama players or the current NFL ones? Frankly, I don't think Bama's players are that exceptional in the NFL. The only one that looks like he'll be perennial Pro Bowler is Richardson.

    Edit, either way they lose. QB is very weak, TR is good, WR's aren't good outside of Jones. Plus, I see very little pass rush coming from that defense. Good NFL QB's would carve that up.

    So I always thought this argument was bullshit and Bama would get crushed by every NFL team but I just looked up Detroit's 0-16 season and their roster is complete dogshit... Bama would give them a game. And they lost some games by less that a TD.

    blackshoes

  • blackshoes said...

    So I always thought this argument was bullshit and Bama would get crushed by every NFL team but I just looked up Detroit's 0-16 season and their roster is complete dogshit... Bama would give them a game. And they lost some games by less that a TD.

    I'd still put money on Detroit.

    stigs007

  • blackshoes said...

    So I always thought this argument was bullshit and Bama would get crushed by every NFL team but I just looked up Detroit's 0-16 season and their roster is complete dogshit... Bama would give them a game. And they lost some games by less that a TD.

    I also just looked at that roster and it is still made up of all NFL players. Old school NFL guys would just manhandle any of those bama lineman. Its just fact. And if you look at the scores of that 0-16 team, 3/4 of their games were still close with only a couple blowouts. Bama really wouldnt have a prayer imho.

    This post was edited by Ethan on 1/8/2013 at 9:19 AM

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  • Trock56 said...

    Ok I came back to take my beating. To many captains and thinking about there skill players and OL in the future not at the current state made me go over the top. All is good. Please move this thread to the crow thread

    I upvoted for you for sacking up and coming back. You're a good sport.

    psudave

  • Ethan said...

    I also just looked at that roster and it is still made up of all NFL players. Old school NFL guys would just manhandle any of those bama lineman. Its just fact. And if you look at the scores of that 0-16 team, 3/4 of their games were still close with only a couple blowouts. Bama really wouldnt have a prayer imho.

    There is no way Bama fields 64 NFL guys but I think they could put together a solid 11-15 on offense and defense. Maybe they don't win but they might be able to give Detroit a better game than ND gave Bama...

    blackshoes

  • gemrich said...

    I just assumed we were talking that time frame since the Bama roster was done from 09. Also, I think that roster, as impressive as it is all things considered, struggles to win a game simply because of depth/QB issues. We could debate the rest of the positions all day long, but you don't even have a remotely serviceable QB. Teams would just stuff the box and that would be that. And that defense certainly isn't going to dominate anyone.

    I was thinking just from 09, all time there are several schools that could do it I'm sure.

    I am not really much on evaluating QB's, but would McEllroy/Mcarron be that much worse that any of Freeman/Johnson, Quinn, Dalton, whoever Cleveland of Arizona put out there? I was disregarding the depth issues, just fielding a starting unit was the goal. And while the Defense is not dominant, I think it could compete against the Cleveland's of the league.

    All in all it was more of a statement about how good the players they have been churning out over the last few seasons are and how to on how build a dominant college team. Skill guys are nice to have, but you win in the trenches. Everyone wants the recruits with all the flash but I would prefer to see the big guys be the priority. Over the time that Bama has dominated, most of their best players have been on the lines, LB and RB.

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  • Jamaal Charles would run for 300 yards and on his own would outscore Alabama.

    the guy tears up some of the best NFL defenses, how would he do against a couple of guys who (if everything pans out) become good NFL players a few years down the line?

    thegenerel

  • PSUfaninOnt said...

    I was thinking just from 09, all time there are several schools that could do it I'm sure.

    I am not really much on evaluating QB's, but would McEllroy/Mcarron be that much worse that any of Freeman/Johnson, Quinn, Dalton, whoever Cleveland of Arizona put out there? I was disregarding the depth issues, just fielding a starting unit was the goal. And while the Defense is not dominant, I think it could compete against the Cleveland's of the league.

    All in all it was more of a statement about how good the players they have been churning out over the last few seasons are and how to on how build a dominant college team. Skill guys are nice to have, but you win in the trenches. Everyone wants the recruits with all the flash but I would prefer to see the big guys be the priority. Over the time that Bama has dominated, most of their best players have been on the lines, LB and RB.

    Freeman and Dalton are legitimate NFL starters, so drop their names from the equation. Zona/KC/Cleveland all had brutal QB situations, and they were all led by quarterbacks with much more physical talent than McElroy. And those teams stunk anyway, due in large part to their poor QB play. And those three teams had plenty of defensive talent.

    Not sure about McCarron. I think he has a bit more physical talent than McElroy, but he also probably doesn't have the arm to play in the NFL. He has another year to show us what he's got.

    gemrich ●

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