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Buckeye Warrior said...
You are confusing breaking real Laws with amateur eligibility. ESPN wants to sue OSU for those records. No Laws were broken. It is NOT illegal for Pryor to have taken cash, extra benefits, cars, or whatever. That only means that he can not play college football. Jim Tressel not reporting the violations, again it is not breaking any real Laws. What ESPN did was withold evidence of a FELONY. That is disgusting. That is the diference. They raked PSU over the coals and still have not let up. They still have the "PSU" update running on their bottom line on ESPNEWS. Yet, they did something like this which is almost as bad as what Sandusky did. They hid evidence and now a child molestor is going to walk free.
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Buckeye Warrior said...
You are confusing breaking real Laws with amateur eligibility. ESPN wants to sue OSU for those records. No Laws were broken. It is NOT illegal for Pryor to have taken cash, extra benefits, cars, or whatever. That only means that he can not play college football. Jim Tressel not reporting the violations, again it is not breaking any real Laws. What ESPN did was withold evidence of a FELONY. That is disgusting. That is the diference. They raked PSU over the coals and still have not let up. They still have the "PSU" update running on their bottom line on ESPNEWS. Yet, they did something like this which is almost as bad as what Sandusky did. They hid evidence and now a child molestor is going to walk free.
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nittanylionfan said...
I'm not sure you have been paying attention. When all the chips are finally on the table, I have a feeling that Boeheim's goose will be cooked and there was a lot more covering up with many many people in the Syracuse case. The main difference, in my opinion, is that Fine's victim has been trying to get people to listen to him for almost 10 years. Sandusky's first victim to come forward wasn't until a few years ago when the AG decided to open a grand jury investigation. The really disturbing thing is how the Syracuse police simply ignored Fine's first accuser. If Fine's accuser is telling the truth, Boeheim had a LOT more personal evidence about Fine's shenanigans then JoePa had of Sandusky's.
As to the arguments that the PSU case is worse because of the duration and extent of Sandusky's crimes as compared to Fine's, that is just a silly argument. It's like comparing Ted Bundy to Jeffrey Dahmer. One isn't worse than the other because he killed and mutilated more people. They are equally bad people and in this case to imply that the PSU situation is worse because of the perceived difference in the extent of their crimes is bogus.
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Buckeye Warrior said...
You are confusing breaking real Laws with amateur eligibility. ESPN wants to sue OSU for those records. No Laws were broken. It is NOT illegal for Pryor to have taken cash, extra benefits, cars, or whatever. That only means that he can not play college football. Jim Tressel not reporting the violations, again it is not breaking any real Laws. What ESPN did was withold evidence of a FELONY. That is disgusting. That is the diference. They raked PSU over the coals and still have not let up. They still have the "PSU" update running on their bottom line on ESPNEWS. Yet, they did something like this which is almost as bad as what Sandusky did. They hid evidence and now a child molestor is going to walk free.
@Cordale10 Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
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thefonz said...
police were notified and an internal investigation took place...there has been no one who has come out and said they gave Boeheim any information that he should have been passed to the cops and never was. That is the difference and it is night and day.
Lets stay objective even though we are dealing with someone who took a cheap shot at PSU
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Hamilton Lion said...
No I'm not confusing anything. I'm separating the real law breaking from NCAA rule breaking. I agree with you dude regarding ESPN's lack of followup here regarding Syracuse. They basically just let a pedophile get away with two or three sexual assaults for failure to hand over the tapes to the authorities. If they do this, Fine gets nailed because SOL isn't out of date. It is disgusting. They are hypocritical regarding their coverage on PSU and their own actions or in this case, non actions regarding the Syracuse deal. They are just as guilty as Fine as people think McQueary is such the evil character in all this. No, ESPN didn't witness like Mike did, but they had the smoking gun in their hands and failed to do what was their moral obligation. Amazing Paterno did what was right, legally, but he was railed by the same organization for not doing right morally, but then they turn around and can't handle being called hypocrits? We are on the same page here.
You brought up about ESPN suing OSU for information on Tatgate, which opened the door to my simple question and its not hard. What is so important on those emails that OSU just won't hand them over to ESPN? Rules were broken regardless whether it be real or NCAA and they want to see if there is more. If there isn't anything, then just hand them over. I'm not sure I will get a response regarding this. So, no point on me trying to belabor the point as I ask a valid question.
This post was edited by Buckeye Warrior on 12/7/2011 at 8:42 PM
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Buckeye Warrior said...
In Ohio, we have student privacy Laws. Because Pryor and no one else broke the Law, the records can't just be handed over. ESPN is going to lose their case. Ohio State can't hand over Tressel's emails because he is talking about student athletes (Pryor). You can't just walk up to any University (that I know of) and demand student records for no reason. Breaking amateur eligibility is not a good reason to demand the records. Of course you are going to believe that there is something hidden and incriminating in them. Whatever. I come here to give support to PSU, ask valid questions about ESPN and ask why they are still raking PSU over the coals, and yet I get some guy somehow turning things into a ESPN vs. OSU argument. I should have expected it to happen I guess. Thanks to all those who wanted to focus on the real issue of ESPN hiding evidence of a Felony.
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JoePa was told that Sandusky was having sex with a boy. Is your contention that having sex with a boy is not "rape"? Well good luck with that distinction.
Even if you don't consider it rape the facts are Paterno KNEW that Sandusky was having sex with a child. There is no indication at this time that Boeheim knew anything about Fine's little hobby, which was why he made the insensitive comments at the beginning. Now if it is learned later that Boeheim did in fact know of the abuse then I'd agree, it's a gots to go situation. But until that happens the 2 situations are totally different.
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Posas14 said...
Joe knew, and took action by fulfilling PA law and reporting to Athletic Director & Head of Univ. Police. He satisfied his legal obligation in this 'alleged' incident.
Beoheim lives across the street from the Fines, travelled with him recruiting & to away games, and articulates his relationship with Fine as his 'best friend' for over 50 years. Basically Beoheim saw the working & home life of Fine VERY intimately, including 2 Ball Boys living in his home who became sex slaves of the Fines..
Syracuse police covered up the investigation, led by Beoheim / Fine's former player/ Police cheif. ESPN is the working home of SU alums withheld evidence from the DA and Police. Beoheim was unaware of this investigation of his #1 guy, neighbor, and former player / captiain as police chief? Nonsense. Jim B's initial response in press conference showed that he had prior knowledge of the allegations. Surprised the Police never questioned him.
There is at least as much evidence in this case as PSU's of Joe and Jims' ethical failings. Beoheim should be fired for failing to fulfill his moral obligation.
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DarrellGreenFan said...
Hey I'm a Maryland guy. I have no dog in the fight. I don't give a rat's ass about Syracuse and up until a month ago Penn State. Not sure what you meant by this first line but what ever.
Here is what we KNOW:
Paterno was told by the SA about the incident. It's in the Grand Jury testimony.
There is no evidence, to date, that Beoheim knew about any sexual acts against minors by Fine.
As I said before if we learn later that Boeheim knew of the events and did little to stop them from occurring in the future, as Paterno did, well that changes everything. But as of right now they are not the same situation.
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JTNITTANY said...
Not saying you are wrong or right but here is what is said in the Grand Jury Summary Report about Paterno..
"Joseph V Paterno testified to recieving the Graduate Assistans report at his home on a Saturday morning. Paterno testified that the Graduate Assistant was very upset. Paterno called Tim Curley ("Curley"), Penn State athletic Director and Paternos immediate superior, to his home the very next day, a Sunday, and reported to him that the graduate assistant had seen Jerry Sandusky in the Lasch building showers fondling or doing something of a sexual nature to a young boy."
That is the end of Paterno's involvement in the report.. Anything outside of what is stated above is pure speculation.. Those are the only fats out there pertaining to Paterno..
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BoulderFish said...
So Joe knew of something and reported it (even though he didn't actually witness it himself), and (lets say, though it's hard to believe) Boeheim didn't know ANYTHING about Fine. How again is Joe's situation any worse? Seems the only reason you are here is to be a good troll and flame.
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DarrellGreenFan said...
I'll say it again. I have no dog in the fight. I just got sick of the PSU cult constantly defending Joe Paterno. As I said I didn't want to get into it again as it will only come out the same as it did a month ago. You guys have strong feelings on the subject and I don't want to continue to trample on those feelings. I'm simply stating that the OP is wrong to conclude that the 2 situations are identical.
Paterno KNEW that Sandusky had sex with boys, yet he allowed him to bring boys to his practice. To date there is NO proof that Beoheim had the same information on Fine. You guys don't want me to speculate but it's obviously OK for you to do so regarding what Beoheim knew. I'm simply sticking to the facts as we know them today.
If that's your idea of being a troll then that's your problem.
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BoulderFish said...
Hey idiot... There were talking heads just as dumb as you all over the national media claiming things like Joe actually witnessed the alleged abuse and/or that Joe tried to cover it up to protect his friend. All of those things are patently FALSE (including the inference that Sandusky and Joe were friends) and and monumental hits to the reputation of a man who has done so much good for so many people for so long.
Why is it inappropriate, or why does it make us a "cult" to respond to attacks (posted on this and many other social media) that are so harmful, and based on PATENTLY FALSE information? Wouldn't you do the same?
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gamgdpsu said...
I thought that one of the victims said that Boeheim knew he stayed in the same room sometimes with Fine while they were on the road and that Boeheim walked in on them laying in the same bed around 4 separate times (not seeing anything sexual, just sharing the same bed).
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DarrellGreenFan said...
Hey thanks for calling me an idiot when I never made these false claims. This conversation is over. Thanks for confirming my believe about the Cult, hope you enjoy your program being as irrelevant as mine is for the next decade. .
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Nittany Sluggo said...
One thing that puzzles me in comparing the two cases----In Syracuse, Fine has not been charged in the current set of allegations because the statute of limitations has expired. This according to ESPN. Yet Sandusky is being tried for crimes dating back as much as 15 years. Perhaps one of you lawyer types could explain the difference.
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How hasn't Cuse fired Boeheim?