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How bad is the QB situation?

  • sneakypete said...

    You can at least see the potential and ability with Bolden. Hell, in his very first start ever he made throws that I haven't seen a PSU QB make for years. I remember watching a couple of passes and texting some people and making comments about how fluid he looked and how nice some of those throws looked and how I haven't seen that at PSU in a long time.

    I'm also one who believes that PSU did nothing to help Bolden while they did alot to help McGloin. I was screaming for PSU to roll Bolden out/move the pocket and they never did. What did they do with McGloin? They moved the pocket and rolled him out.

    I also think, as I have heard many current players think too, that Bolden was thrown under the bus. He came in and played the tough games while learning and then McGloin lights up a few bad teams and thats that. One can see an upside with Bolden, doesn't mean he will reach it, but it's their to see. Can't say that with McGloin.

    What tantrum did Bolden throw? I don't recall him throwing one during a game.

    How many PSU fans would bash an OSU player for taunting PSU players and fans after a good play but called it moxie when McGloin did it? That was one of a few examples with McGloin.

    Umm, I'll take NE's staff over ours any day of the week.

    After Mcgloin came into that northwestern game you knew they couldn't take him back out. He may have had more time in that game but it was clear he provided the spark.
    The tantrum i was speaking of was his wanting out of the program. Handled very poorly on his part.
    Either way my whole point was i think we are in good shape this year. If Mcgloin has to come in he may surprise alot of people. if Bolden lives up to potential the offense could be scary good if the o line does their part.

    psu2005

  • psu2005 said...

    The double standard i don't get is how people can be so for Bolden and so against Mcgloin yet they had similar stats. Be so upset at some of Mcgloin antics yet instantly forgive Bolden for his temper tantrum. Believe that Bolden will learn from his year and Mcgloin won't. I get Mcgloin wasnt heavily recruited but that is no reason to give up all hope. Tom Brady was something like a six round pick the staff didn't toss him aside because no one else wanted him at that level.

    Sorry, but Bolden started against Bama... McGloin made starts against Indiana and the like... Sorry. Bolden took his lumps against superior talent, and McGloin came in against the easy chunk of the schedule... And his bowl performance was so bad, that I think Bolden had a legit beef not getting ANY playing time during the bowl... And Joe and Jay have said that they regret not getting him on the field...

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  • ejb5212 said...

    I think the thing is that bOlden seemed to have had his best game against minny (last start) while mcgloins last start was the unfortunate bowl game

    Agreed ejb... Add in the fact that Bolden's worst performance doesn't even come close to comparing to that bowl performance, and you have the fact that Bolden should have gotten in and shows the higher ceiling and floor...

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  • rmj147 said...

    Sorry, but Bolden started against Bama... McGloin made starts against Indiana and the like... Sorry. Bolden took his lumps against superior talent, and McGloin came in against the easy chunk of the schedule... And his bowl performance was so bad, that I think Bolden had a legit beef not getting ANY playing time during the bowl... And Joe and Jay have said that they regret not getting him on the field...

    You're right Mcgloin starting against OSU means nothing.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by psu2005 on 8/4/2011 at 7:25 PM

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  • psu2005 said...

    You're right Mcgloin starting against OSU means nothing.

    And how'd that one turn out?

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  • We Are..... said...

    And how'd that one turn out?

    +1 we are... my point exactly...

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  • I am sorry don't mean to stick on this point. But did you try and take the worst team Mcgloin started against and put them against the best team Bolden did? Each guy faced equal competition at the least and Mcgloin probably played higher competition if you actually look through the schedule and finishing records.

    psu2005

  • We Are..... said...

    And how'd that one turn out?

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by psu2005 on 8/4/2011 at 8:25 PM

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  • rmj147 said...

    +1 we are... my point exactly...

    What point is that? The one where they both lost the starts against quality competition?

    psu2005

  • Psu2005, I'd love for you to be right about McGloin and actually hope that you are, I just don't see it. Agree to disagree I guess.......

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  • We Are..... said...

    Psu2005, I'd love for you to be right about McGloin and actually hope that you are, I just don't see it. Agree to disagree I guess.......

    I am fine with that. I actually don't know how/why i ended up taking his side of the argument. My original posting was basically saying he would be a serviceable back up if needed. I just can't take all the negativity everyday.

    psu2005

  • psu2005 said...

    How did Boldens start against bama turn out?

    I think you're missing the point. They BOTH stunk last year against good teams, but Bolden was 2 months out of HS when they played Bama. If your basing your opinion on last years results then it would be a battle, but Bolden has so much more potential its scary. I actually think that if McGloin learns to play like say a McElroy or Tolzein instead of Brett Favre he could be OK. Just not sure he has that in him.....

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  • psu2005 said...

    There you go with your double standards...a minute ago you don't call other posters names but now i am crazy and need meds. Its ok though unfortunlately we will all read the same posts from you over and over again. Your posts are like are like our playcalling...fairly predictable.

    Can you read? I said I "try" not to. I never said I was perfect and that I never do it. Is that a little to hard for you to understand?

    Yes, they will remain predictable as long as our staff does and continues to have the same issues over and over again.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • We Are..... said...

    I think you're missing the point. They BOTH stunk last year against good teams, but Bolden was 2 months out of HS when they played Bama. If your basing your opinion on last years results then it would be a battle, but Bolden has so much more potential its scary. I actually think that if McGloin learns to play like say a McElroy or Tolzein instead of Brett Favre he could be OK. Just not sure he has that in him.....

    I actually stated they both lost to quality teams already. I also stated that Bolden has more potential.

    I just don't get the hatred of Mcgloin and the assumption that he can not and will not improve.

    This post was edited by psu2005 on 8/4/2011 at 7:53 PM

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  • sneakypete said...

    Can you read? I said I "try" not to. I never said I was perfect and that I never do it. Is that a little to hard for you to understand?

    Yes, they will remain predictable as long as our staff does and continues to have the same issues over and over again.

    Nope i can't read nor understand anything. All these letters are so confusing... Broken record.

    This post was edited by psu2005 on 8/4/2011 at 7:54 PM

    psu2005

  • psu2005 said...

    After Mcgloin came into that northwestern game you knew they couldn't take him back out. He may have had more time in that game but it was clear he provided the spark. The tantrum i was speaking of was his wanting out of the program. Handled very poorly on his part. Either way my whole point was i think we are in good shape this year. If Mcgloin has to come in he may surprise alot of people. if Bolden lives up to potential the offense could be scary good if the o line does their part.

    You could easily take out McGloin after the NW game. Why didn't Bolden get the same chance after McGloin started throwing TD pass's to OSU defenders and Florida defenders? Why didn't he get the chance to be the backup that the other team didn't prepare for and give a spark?

    And I disagree and don't think we are in good shape at the QB position.

    Why is asking for a transfer a tantrum? I would have done the same thing if I was RB. Hem along with other players, felt like he was thrown under the bus. I would agree and would have done the same thing. I think one of the most important things a staff can be is fair and I think they have shown they aren't that, especially at QB, over the past few years. I actually thik RB made a huge mistake coming back to PSU.

    I just don't see how people can think McGloin is going to surprise anyone.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • psu2005 said...

    Nope i can't read nor understand anything. All these letters are so confusing... Broken record.

    At least you admit it.

    Broken record, are you referring to the pick 6 machine that is McGloin? That is quite a broken record.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • psu2005 said...

    How did Boldens start against bama turn out?

    I will say that Bolden as a true frosh a few weeks removed from high school played better in the Bama game then DC did against OSU and Iowa and McGloin did against Florida and the second half of OSU.

    Also, why do you feel the need to put down Bolden to support your argument that you thik McGloin is good? See, I can say the same thing to you.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • rmj147 said...

    Sorry, but Bolden started against Bama... McGloin made starts against Indiana and the like... Sorry. Bolden took his lumps against superior talent, and McGloin came in against the easy chunk of the schedule... And his bowl performance was so bad, that I think Bolden had a legit beef not getting ANY playing time during the bowl... And Joe and Jay have said that they regret not getting him on the field...

    How many times have we heard Joe say he regrets not getting player X more playing time? Too many times.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • sneakypete said...

    At least you admit it.

    Broken record, are you referring to the pick 6 machine that is McGloin? That is quite a broken record.

    Look man agree to disagree. You aren't changing my mind and i will not change yours. In the meantime i will work on my ability to read so i can figure our if these random letters i am putting together actually form words.

    psu2005

  • psu2005 said...

    You're right Mcgloin starting against OSU means nothing.

    Yes, 1/2 a game means nothing. If it did they wouldn't play a second half. What matters is the entire body of work/game. You should go check what was said to and by the OSU players during the HT of the PSU game last year. They came out in the second half and exposed MM for what he really is.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • psu2005 said...

    Look man agree to disagree. You aren't changing my mind and i will not change yours. In the meantime i will work on my ability to read so i can figure our if these random letters i am putting together actually form words.

    Agree to disagree, I'm fine with that.

    Sorry for getting out of line!

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • sneakypete said...

    I will say that Bolden as a true frosh a few weeks removed from high school played better in the Bama game then DC did against OSU and Iowa and McGloin did against Florida and the second half of OSU.

    Also, why do you feel the need to put down Bolden to support your argument that you thik McGloin is good? See, I can say the same thing to you.

    I just used Bolden losing that game to point out the hypocrisy of saying Mcgloin lost his game against his best competition. I don't make a habit out of putting down any of our players.

    psu2005

  • The bottom line is that neither QB was good enough to get us to where we want to be last year. Whoever wins the job needs to be a lot better than they were last year. This whole debate about who sucked less is pointless really. Both beat the teams they should and both struggled against superior competition.

    We all hope Bolden wins the competition and is much improved. But if it happens to be McGloin, then he was the better option at this time. People need to just accept that and move on from all this bashing.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    The bottom line is that neither QB was good enough to get us to where we want to be last year. Whoever wins the job needs to be a lot better than they were last year. This whole debate about who sucked less is pointless really. Both beat the teams they should and both struggled against superior competition.

    We all hope Bolden wins the competition and is much improved. But if it happens to be McGloin, then he was the better option at this time. People need to just accept that and move on from all this bashing.

    Well said.

    And it's not even that we need Bolden to be much improved. If the only thing he adds this year is some command of the huddle, then that's all it'll take for him to be successful.

    People can trash McGloin all they want, but the fact is that our team was very timid and weak until the fiery ginger took over.

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