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How Long Until we are Back on Top?

  • PSUHomer said...

    For those who do not follow the NFL, the Washington Redskins have been in a decade plus long drought. The lack of a franchise quarterback can be partially to blame, but a change in ownership, multiple head coaches, and a plethora of offensive schemes is the main culprit. The Redskins are entering year 3 of the Mike Shanahan era. We have finally found a quarterback, have a system in place that works, and now have the players to run that system. We have a front office that are all on the same page, and a general manager who actually knows what he is doing....

    Haha... I think you're overrating the Redskins' front office and overstating the Redskins' prospects for the future.

    BoulderFish

  • Sheapac said...

    Couldn't disagree with you more. We've already landed a top QB in Hack. Look at stanford. No where close to the tradition psu has and they've put together top 10 teams the last couple of years. Look at psu over the past 10 years. We've had a couple really good top 10 teams and that was when we didn't have a head coach that recruited (although his name alone helped). It's very tough to win a title...you could have all the talent in the world but are too many factors in college football today (strength of schedule). Our talent over the past 10 years has been good enough for 8 wins a season. During that span we've never had a great QB (Robinson & Clark were good but not great). Grabbing a couple more good/elite players could have meant 8 win season goes to 11 wins. I think BOB can do this. Hopefully we can keep the same type of players on defense that we've always had, BOB's offense is the x-factor. I predict our offense will be flashy and unstoppable in 3 years. I count my lucky stars every day we kept Larry Johnson. We'll be competitive this year, next year by be tough, and by 2014 I dont think anyone will want to play psu.

    recruiting talent doesnt mean anything until they actually show up and excel on the field. In the last decade we have recruited 5 star Morelli 4/5 star Devlin, 4/5 star Jones, 4 stars Newsome and Bolden. I would say thats some decent star power, at least coming out of HS.

    Hack my be the next great college QB. Or he may join the list above. We'll see how Obrien and Fisher develop QB's.....cant really say Obien had a large part in Bradys development, so we;ll have to see. We just need to keep upgrading the talent on this team, and see where we stand in a few years, when there are playoffs and 4, 16 team super conferences.

    Spulv400

  • Spulv400 said...

    recruiting talent doesnt mean anything until they actually show up and excel on the field. In the last decade we have recruited 5 star Morelli 4/5 star Devlin, 4/5 star Jones, 4 stars Newsome and Bolden. I would say thats some decent star power, at least coming out of HS.

    Hack my be the next great college QB. Or he may join the list above. We'll see how Obrien and Fisher develop QB's.....cant really say Obien had a large part in Bradys development, so we;ll have to see. We just need to keep upgrading the talent on this team, and see where we stand in a few years, when there are playoffs and 4, 16 team super conferences.

    I very rarely agree with you ... almost about the same times as Hailey's Comet comes around, but I do agree with you on this. You can recruit all the high stared players on the face of the earth, but if you can't develop them properly, it means jack sh*t. Development is the key with this staff.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 6/10/2012 at 5:38 PM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    I very rarely agree with you ... almost about the same times as Hailey's Comet comes around, but I do agree with you on this. You can recruit all the high stared players on the face of the earth, but if you can't develop them properly, it means jack sh*t. Development is the key with this staff.

    I actually agree with this. But the variable today is that JayPa is not developing the talent, but rather BO'B's staff is. Not having seen BO'B's staff in action, with real data behind them, leaves me in the dark with respect to how our current **** star athletes will mature. But given the experience of the last decade, my hopes are high with BO'B at the helm and that the proverbial stars will live up to their billing coming in and when going out of the program.

    This post was edited by psufankc63 on 6/10/2012 at 6:10 PM

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  • psufankc63 said...

    I actually agree with this. But the variable today is that JayPa is not developing the talent, but rather BO'B's staff is. Not having seen BO'B's staff in action, with real data behind them, leaves me in the dark with respect to how our current **** star athletes will mature. But given the experience of the last decade, my hopes are high with BO'B at the helm and that the proverbial stars will live up to their billing coming in and when going out of the program.

    You should have much more confidence that BOB, Fisher can develop QBs better than Jay; Hixon can develop WRs better than McQuery; Mac can develop better OL men than Anderson/Kenney and Butler can do a better job with the DBs than did Scrap.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 6/10/2012 at 6:23 PM

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    You should have much more confidence that BOB, Fisher can develop QBs better than Jay; Hixon can develop WRs better than McQuery; Mac can develop better OL men than Anderson/Kenney and Butler can do a better job with the DBs than did Scrap.

    Hamilton,

    I'm actually counting on all of that. But until we actually have some numbers to back it up, we're a bit in the dark. That said, I'm pumped for the next few season to see how this experiment all shakes out!

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    You should have much more confidence that BOB, Fisher can develop QBs better than Jay; Hixon can develop WRs better than McQuery; Mac can develop better OL men than Anderson/Kenney and Butler can do a better job with the DBs than did Scrap.

    Our offensive coaching was honestly the worst in major CFB. Hixon is going to churn out talent (what an amazing resume this guy has) and I have the highest confidence in BOB and Fisher and to get the most out of our QB's. Strollo and London are sort of mystery men, and Mac to a lesser degree, but they can't be worse than what we had at those positions previously (Hall and Anderson were walking corpses stealing a paycheck from the state, Kenney was ok).

    Certainly Butler will be better than the glorified GA we had coaching safeties the last couple years.

    The only coaching concern I have is the same one I started with: Ted Roof. Unfortunately, that's a big position to be concerned with.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion

  • BoulderFish said...

    Haha... I think you're overrating the Redskins' front office and overstating the Redskins' prospects for the future.

    proven head coach, one of the best "salary cap" GM's in the business, an owner who is no longer in the forefront, one of the best rookie QB's the NFL has seen(granted he hasn't played yet - but there is not a QB in the NFL, or maybe ever, with as complete a skill set at RG3 has), the Best LB corp in the NFL, and a much improved O-Line and WR corps.

    But I am a fan, and do wear my Burgundy and Gold glasses, so my opinion is obviously biased - but, having said this, i can talk NFL all day, and will defend the recent moves by the Skins.

    "A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation." - Gerald Hodges

    PSUHomer

  • PSUHomer said...

    ...but there is not a QB in the NFL, or maybe ever, with as complete a skill set at RG3 has)...

    Wow! I didn't realize that. Is he going to have Elway's career or Marino's before he makes the Hall of Fame?

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  • leftcoastlion said...

    Our offensive coaching was honestly the worst in major CFB. Hixon is going to churn out talent (what an amazing resume this guy has) and I have the highest confidence in BOB and Fisher and to get the most out of our QB's. Strollo and London are sort of mystery men, and Mac to a lesser degree, but they can't be worse than what we had at those positions previously (Hall and Anderson were walking corpses stealing a paycheck from the state, Kenney was ok).

    Certainly Butler will be better than the glorified GA we had coaching safeties the last couple years.

    The only coaching concern I have is the same one I started with: Ted Roof. Unfortunately, that's a big position to be concerned with.

    When London came aboard, I was shaking my head. I didn't like it. However, I'm seeing the reason why he is on this staff. He connects with the players and recruits very well. He busts his ass on the recruiting trail. He is articulate, educated and from everything I have seen, loves being at PSU. He might be one of the better hires.

    Strollo and Mac are the mystery men to me. However, kids seem to like Strollo as well. As far as MAC, he is by far a better OL coach than what we had. That said, the only question ... how long will he be at PSU, one, two, or three years at PSU?

    Hamilton Lion

  • PSUHomer said...

    "Stuck in the Stone Ages", "Not Changing With the Times", "Head Coach That Doesn't Recruit on the Road", "Sleeping Giant"................."Sex Scandal".

    How long do you think it will take to turn this sleeping giant into a perennial contender?

    Great blog, Homer. Thanks for posting. I think you eloquently touched on the balance of hope and trepidation many share in Penn State Nation.

    It's very clear Coach O'Brein did a SWOT analysis the second he walked in the door at PSU. Specific BOB activies have targeted each weakness/limitation in the previous approach. So improvement is very likely.

    But perennial (nationally) may be made from unobtaniuim. With a new 4-team playoff in the works, we'll see if the "Best team" model favors the SEC with a greater number of champions and seedings. There is very little BOB can do to offset geography constraints of rural Centre County or the warm-weather South.

    I think PSU fans would be extremely pleased with the 3-5 year cycle of contenders under the pre-21st century Paterno era. We don't need to dominate the Big Ten with titles split between historical powers like OSU, Michigan, more recent power surges of Wisconsin and Michigan State, and potential upstart Nebraska. But at he very least, we should be in the mix with just zero, one, or 2 conference losses in any given year.

    This post was edited by PSGrue on 6/11/2012 at 9:04 AM

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  • psujmc1992 said...

    Wow! I didn't realize that. Is he going to have Elway's career or Marino's before he makes the Hall of Fame?

    Look, it's a PSU board, and I don't want to clutter it up with Redskins talk, but, if you want to talk NFL, come over to HogsHaven and we'll have ourselves a good ole' time, haha : )P

    One point I will make - there has been no college QB to come into the NFL with this complete and unique set of tools as RG3 has. Cam and Vick are close, but Griffin is much faster than Newton, and a much better passer than both. Having said this, he still must prove himself.

    "A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation." - Gerald Hodges

    PSUHomer

  • PSUHomer said...

    Look, it's a PSU board, and I don't want to clutter it up with Redskins talk, but, if you want to talk NFL, come over to HogsHaven and we'll have ourselves a good ole' time, haha : )P

    One point I will make - there has been no college QB to come into the NFL with this complete and unique set of tools as RG3 has. Cam and Vick are close, but Griffin is much faster than Newton, and a much better passer than both. Having said this, he still must prove himself.

    Thus why he was the first QB and player taken at number one overall.

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    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by MTayl72 on 6/11/2012 at 12:00 PM

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  • philafan said...

    2015 we will win a title

    Hack's class will be JR level.... The '12 class which will have so much SR leadership will be primed and the '14 class which will be epic will be a nice boost

    2015 we win it all

    Yeah, I like our chances in 2015. Of course 2014 would be PJ's senior season and Lynch should be running wild by then.

    Domo

  • The answer to this thread title is January 7, 2013.

    PureRockFury

  • ah-hum. Still waiting for that much needed change in our nations Capital. It ain't happened yet! But it's comin'! lynchmob

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  • NevadaNittany said...

    Honestly, we may not win a title for another 20-30 years. In todays age, the superstar high school athletes have their mind on one thing, the money the NFL will bring. Right now, Penn State doesnt offer that dream as well as other schools do. Penn State isnt flashy like an Oregon. Penn State doesnt doesnt turn the other way when it comes to academics like the SEC or the ACC. Penn State isnt the school that kids grow up all over the country watching and idolizing their star players like a USC. Penn State cant lock up in state talent like a Texas can do. Penn State doesnt offer booster incentives like an OSU.

    Fact is to win in todays game, you need star players, whether you like it or not. You need the kids that come in and dominate from day one. Not the kids that are good kids and can be developed. Penn State will always put good players on the field and good players will be competitive, but they dont win titles.

    I am not advocating cheating, or lowering standards. I am all about the Penn State way, but until the Penn State way starts getting game changers to commit, we cannot win a title. And I still dont see kids being turned on to Penn State. Bill O'Brien is doing a nice job, but he still has work to do. Only time will tell.

    Booster incentives?

    Bucktooth2

  • NevadaNittany said...

    Honestly, we may not win a title for another 20-30 years. In todays age, the superstar high school athletes have their mind on one thing, the money the NFL will bring. Right now, Penn State doesnt offer that dream as well as other schools do. Penn State isnt flashy like an Oregon. Penn State doesnt doesnt turn the other way when it comes to academics like the SEC or the ACC. Penn State isnt the school that kids grow up all over the country watching and idolizing their star players like a USC. Penn State cant lock up in state talent like a Texas can do. Penn State doesnt offer booster incentives like an OSU.

    Fact is to win in todays game, you need star players, whether you like it or not. You need the kids that come in and dominate from day one. Not the kids that are good kids and can be developed. Penn State will always put good players on the field and good players will be competitive, but they dont win titles.

    I am not advocating cheating, or lowering standards. I am all about the Penn State way, but until the Penn State way starts getting game changers to commit, we cannot win a title. And I still dont see kids being turned on to Penn State. Bill O'Brien is doing a nice job, but he still has work to do. Only time will tell.

    I do not have enough downvotes for this post.

    It boggles my mind how some people on these boards are fans of THIS program. How can you root for a team that you don't believe in?

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  • PSU42Fan said...

    I do not have enough downvotes for this post.

    It boggles my mind how some people on these boards are fans of THIS program. How can you root for a team that you don't believe in?

    Its not that I dont believe in the team, I believe that we do things right and other teams arent ethical in their tactics to get a commitment from a kid. I also dont believe that kids nationwide are feeling what Penn State is selling. I never said I dont believe in the team. Its the high school kids. But on the bright side, this gives you another post to down vote...youre welcome.

    Philafan, you named three recruits (two from '05 and one from 06') that were big time athletes. Some schools get atleast two of these types of recruits a year, your still holding on to three kids we got 7 years ago.

    Look I am not saying Penn State doesnt get its fair share of good players, and yes we can pull a stud every now and again. But right now we arent on that level. This OP was about 'How Long Til We Are Back On Top'. When I think top I think National Title...I dont see that happening for a long time. Some of you may think top as winning the big ten, I dont.

    NevadaNittany

  • Bucktooth2 said...

    Booster incentives?

    I dont know, ask Devier Posey.

    NevadaNittany

  • NevadaNittany said...

    Its not that I dont believe in the team, I believe that we do things right and other teams arent ethical in their tactics to get a commitment from a kid. I also dont believe that kids nationwide are feeling what Penn State is selling. I never said I dont believe in the team. Its the high school kids. But on the bright side, this gives you another post to down vote...youre welcome.

    Philafan, you named three recruits (two from '05 and one from 06') that were big time athletes. Some schools get atleast two of these types of recruits a year, your still holding on to three kids we got 7 years ago.

    Look I am not saying Penn State doesnt get its fair share of good players, and yes we can pull a stud every now and again. But right now we arent on that level. This OP was about 'How Long Til We Are Back On Top'. When I think top I think National Title...I dont see that happening for a long time. Some of you may think top as winning the big ten, I dont.

    Did you see Stanford's class last year ? How about Michigan's this year ? Notre Dame has had tons of great classes.

    Point is, you can recruit lights out while selling academics and discipline. If we could recruit classes like '06 every year (I see no reason why this isn't possible) then we would be in the national title hunt regularly. Truth is, the kinds of kids you think "aren't feeling us" are from the south, and we don't want those kids anyway. There is plenty of talent in our region to build a national title contender, and few of those kids are the types you are talking about.

    If we win, as we did in 05 and helped us snag the '06 class (which produced Bowman (All pro), Taylor (first round), Maybin (first round), Odrick (first round), as well as Royster, Quarless, Troutman (all draft picks), we will land the kind of talent we need. You can point to a lack of highly touted players over the last few years, but I would follow by pointing you to a picture of Joe Paterno standing next to Terrelle Pryor---the last time he ever visited a recruit. The things that held us back (horrific offensive coaching, free riding offensive assistants, low staff energy, minimal recruiting effort etc) are gone. All that is left to do is win.

    Just to repeat- that class produced seven draft picks, three of which went in the first round, and one of whom should have and subsequently became an All-Pro in year TWO. That doesn't include Brackett, Devlin, and Ogbu, who have stuck around as practice squad players and were (or in the case of Devlin, would have been) meaningful contributors. There is also Mo Evans, who was a first round talent with a ten cent brain. We can recruit plenty of talent, we just needed a staff that could go and get it, and maximize it while it was here. We seem to have that now.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion

  • NevadaNittany said...

    Its not that I dont believe in the team, I believe that we do things right and other teams arent ethical in their tactics to get a commitment from a kid. I also dont believe that kids nationwide are feeling what Penn State is selling. I never said I dont believe in the team. Its the high school kids. But on the bright side, this gives you another post to down vote...youre welcome.

    Philafan, you named three recruits (two from '05 and one from 06') that were big time athletes. Some schools get atleast two of these types of recruits a year, your still holding on to three kids we got 7 years ago.

    Look I am not saying Penn State doesnt get its fair share of good players, and yes we can pull a stud every now and again. But right now we arent on that level. This OP was about 'How Long Til We Are Back On Top'. When I think top I think National Title...I dont see that happening for a long time. Some of you may think top as winning the big ten, I dont.

    At this time in the program you are comparing apples and oranges. The recruiting effort from the old staff was 3 or 4 coaches, that's it. Today all the staff recruits and does it with vigor. The top end recruits will come.

    danmcc

  • psulion90 said...

    I believe we will have a somewhat up and down first year in 2012. In 13' and beyond we should see better execution and consistency. If you will remember, Saban went 7-6 his first year, then had much better teams after. Not saying we'll have Alabama's success, but there are parallels.

    Saban also already had a NC in his pocket, spent time in the NFL and had a lot of experience in college football as a head coach. I don't think B.O.B. has that. I'm not saying he won't be a good or even possibly great coach, but to compare him to Saban is absolutely hilarious.

    This post was edited by dkerns on 6/16/2012 at 10:27 PM

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  • leftcoastlion said...

    Point is, you can recruit lights out while selling academics and discipline.

    TSUN's recruits diciplined? roflmao

    dkerns