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Great Picture of the "questionable" DPI

  • white_out ●

  • Looks a lot like PI to me!

    rummel49

  • Don't show that to any Illini fans... they may accuse Joe Hermit of being in on the conspiracy.

    This post was edited by VinegarBased63624 on 10/31/2011 at 1:24 PM

    VinegarBased63624

  • Wow that is a close call...never got to watch much of the game, but heard that it was very close.

    beaglespackers

  • It's an easy call. I don't get these people who say you can't make that call at that point in the game. If it's a penalty, I don't care if there is a minute left or 58 minutes left.

    NorthsideLion

  • he clearly impeded Moye. If it's not DPI, it's defensive holding.

    Moye catches that if he's able to get both arms up IMO.

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    white_out ●

  • Clearly has ahold of Moye's right arm. There should have been 3 or 4 or 5 flags, instead of just 2!!! LOL!!

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    That is my name on their tops and no one can tell me any different!!!!

    Jmaus24

  • what that doesn't show is that Moye put his right arm on top of the Illinois defenders right hand first (you can actually see that a bit in the picture). So I have no problem with the Illinois defender holding down Moye's arm in response. It was typical hand fighting. The defender got in trouble when right before that picture was taken he brought his right arm over into Moye's chest. If he hadn't done that then I would have been okay with no PI. But in the end, it was PI.

    gemrich

  • pdiehm said...

    he clearly impeded Moye. If it's not DPI, it's defensive holding.

    Moye catches that if he's able to get both arms up IMO.

    Holding is only called before the ball is in the air... That said he was contacting and holding his arm etc for much of the route - it is clear PI to me.. And it wasn't just 1 ref that called it - there was ref in front of the play and behind the play and BOTH through their flags - that right there is a good indication is was PI.. It was a ballsy throw though as I saw Redd open for the 1st down in the left flat just underneath Moye so glad it worked out cool

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by ShotofEspresso on 10/31/2011 at 1:48 PM

    ShotofEspresso

  • gemrich said...

    what that doesn't show is that Moye put his right arm on top of the Illinois defenders right hand first (you can actually see that a bit in the picture). So I have no problem with the Illinois defender holding down Moye's arm in response. It was typical hand fighting. The defender got in trouble when right before that picture was taken he brought his right arm over into Moye's chest. If he hadn't done that then I would have been okay with no PI. But in the end, it was PI.

    I see it a little different. Hand fighting is ok as the route is in progress and even perhaps the first half of the flight of the ball but as the receiver prepares to catch the ball you can't grab his arm/hand and pull it down. What made this play obvious was that Moye jumped up to catch it and was only able to get his back arm up to catch the ball while his other arm was being held down. Because of that it was pass interference. It had nothing to do with his right arm over Moye's chest. Hand fighting is ok but you can't hold or restrict somebody's hand from getting to the position to catch the ball.

    PSUDE

  • Nice picture. Wasnt it the sideline ref that threw the flag ... He could have only seen the back of Jose guys. Maybe another ref saw it also.

    On the replays it looked questionable to me.

    If winning was easy even losers would do it.

    Lang06 ●

  • Lang06 said...

    Nice picture. Wasnt it the sideline ref that threw the flag ... He could have only seen the back of Jose guys. Maybe another ref saw it also.

    On the replays it looked questionable to me.

    Another ref saw it too. But yes, a sideline guy was where one of the flags came from. I saw a replay of it from the back view and that is just as clear. I actually liked the back view more because I was able to tell he was held virtually the who way.

    PSUatw

  • PSUDE said...

    I see it a little different. Hand fighting is ok as the route is in progress and even perhaps the first half of the flight of the ball but as the receiver prepares to catch the ball you can't grab his arm/hand and pull it down. What made this play obvious was that Moye jumped up to catch it and was only able to get his back arm up to catch the ball while his other arm was being held down. Because of that it was pass interference. It had nothing to do with his right arm over Moye's chest. Hand fighting is ok but you can't hold or restrict somebody's hand from getting to the position to catch the ball.

    This ^^. Usually the "hand-fighting" is rightfully-so permitted to a point where if stopped, both players can make a fair play for the ball.

    Moye stopped and made a play on the ball. The defender continued the "hand-fighting" right through the end of the play, and therefore rightfully-so got a DPI called on him.

    Even before this picture, this was an easy call IMO.

    I think the reason the IL fans thought it was ticky-tack at best was because the defender is actually in pretty good position to make a play (he just didn't). Usually PIs are called when the defender is clearly beaten, and usually get a bit more slack if they're in decent position.

    BoulderFish ●

  • Just for the record Mark May's only comment during the PSU highlight on CFB Final was to this and it was "c'mon, let them play" -- perhaps someone should send this pic to him?

    edtee ●

  • PSUDE said...

    I see it a little different. Hand fighting is ok as the route is in progress and even perhaps the first half of the flight of the ball but as the receiver prepares to catch the ball you can't grab his arm/hand and pull it down. What made this play obvious was that Moye jumped up to catch it and was only able to get his back arm up to catch the ball while his other arm was being held down. Because of that it was pass interference. It had nothing to do with his right arm over Moye's chest. Hand fighting is ok but you can't hold or restrict somebody's hand from getting to the position to catch the ball.

    I understand your take. My take is that Moye did the exact same thing with his right arm by holding down the defender's right arm. Basically Moye held his right arm down while Illinois held his right arm down. I thought they were both guilty. I have zero problem with the PI call, but if the defender had been able to get his right arm up (couldn't because Moye was holding it down), then I don't think it looks nearly as bad.

    gemrich

  • True story, our assistant deputy director, my direct supervisor, and my project manager all are big Illini fans. I have been punished with workload because of the win this weekend. You think with the Cardinals winning they'd have given me some slack.

    Oh I may email them all this picture, it may suck for work but I'll be right.

    MTayl72 ●

  • The defender was grabbing Moye for the last 7 yards or so with his left hand. THAT was the foul!! When the ball arrived the defender made a good play!

    jayer

  • gemrich said...

    what that doesn't show is that Moye put his right arm on top of the Illinois defenders right hand first (you can actually see that a bit in the picture). So I have no problem with the Illinois defender holding down Moye's arm in response. It was typical hand fighting. The defender got in trouble when right before that picture was taken he brought his right arm over into Moye's chest. If he hadn't done that then I would have been okay with no PI. But in the end, it was PI.

    I can't see any evidence of Moye holding the defender's right hand down in that picture. Both of Moye's hands are turned up to make the catch. That picture only shows the defender holding Moye's arm down. I only saw the play live from the south endzone, not any of the close up replays so I'll take your word for it about what happened before that picture. IMO though, when two refs from two different angles see the same thing, that limits the controversy. At any rate, I'll take it.

    ftlawdog

  • Moye still should have caught the ball... hit him right in the 6 and it wasn't like he got mugged. I honestly hate PI calls. Glad to get this one but to essentially win the game on that call it kind of leaves me feeling dirty.

    blackshoes ●

  • That was a very ticky tacky call and alot of posters here would be crying like babies if that call happened to us saying the B1G is out to get them blah blah blah.

    This post was edited by sneakypete on 10/31/2011 at 6:32 PM

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • sneakypete said...

    That was a very ticky tacky call and alot of posters here would be crying like babies if that call happened to us saying the B1G is out to get them blah blah blah.

    Agreed. That call could have just as easily not been called. It certainly wasnt a blatant PI. Ill take it though!

    NevadaNittany

  • NevadaNittany said...

    Agreed. That call could have just as easily not been called. It certainly wasnt a blatant PI. Ill take it though!

    Ill take it all day long.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • sneakypete said...

    That was a very ticky tacky call and alot of posters here would be crying like babies if that call happened to us saying the B1G is out to get them blah blah blah.

    Ticky tacky? Did you look at the photo? Hard to catch a ball with one arm being held down.

    NorthsideLion

  • NorthsideLion said...

    Ticky tacky? Did you look at the photo? Hard to catch a ball with one arm being held down.

    The photo doesn't tell the whole story. Moye grabbed the DB's hand before this happened and the DB was adjusting to it. Read gemrichs post. This was your average run of the mill hand fighting

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete ●

  • Handfighting is all well and good until the ball gets there. Then, you can't pull a WR's arm in the act of making a catch. That's textbook interference.

    This post was edited by NorthsideLion on 11/1/2011 at 12:21 AM

    NorthsideLion

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