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MTayl72 said...
No shit, right. I can respect people's opinion that they want the statue down, or wins vacated (though I don't see the latter happening), as long as they have intelligent fact-based responses. This dumbass is an embarrassment to humanity, and a sign of our education system failing. When I lived in FL I knew some Miami fans (not alot because there aren't many) and they had a brain, this guy is a moron.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
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JMac1 said...
Only since you asked....I don't think it should be about doing what is better (that's kinda what got them in this mess to begin with), it should be about doing what is right and then moving forward from there. It would be tough for a while, but they will build the program back up to it's glory and they'll be better off for doing it that way rather than trying to shake the stink of the program that wouldn't "man up"... I'm not saying that that stigma is warranted, but I think it would be the perception and perception is reality.
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joven cane said...
if I were the NCAA, I would just vacate those precious 409 wins.
nothing more. nothing less. think of it as a "reset" and then your program can move on.
and whatever the NCAA decides to do or decides to not do, I hope PSU doesn't start another riot. for a fine academic university, those PSU students were acting really foolish.
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joven cane said...
if I were the NCAA, I would just vacate those precious 409 wins.
nothing more. nothing less. think of it as a "reset" and then your program can move on.
and whatever the NCAA decides to do or decides to not do, I hope PSU doesn't start another riot. for a fine academic university, those PSU students were acting really foolish.
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kjc15600 said...
So the only way to man up is to shut down?
Let me ask you this. It is tough to put ourselves In the perspective of the victims, I know that. I don't know that they will ever fully get closure or fully heal.
But as the victims of a crime, which solution brings the victims closer to closure:
Sandusky behind bars forever and those that covered for him in a cell themselves? Sweeping changes in PSU admin that focuses on proper checks and balancs, a system that other great universities can use as a example? PSU to use financial influence to become world leaders in prevention of child abuse, team with state agencies to better understand warning signs and better train those we trust with our children every day? Set up scholarship funds and endowments in the name of Sanduskys victims?
Or
Shut down football for a year.
Which option would a victim likely see as the man up right move? You're so high and mighty about doing the right thing, you tell me which is the right thing.
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BoulderFish said...
I think the NCAA was under a lot more "extreme pressure" to bring the hammer down on tOSU, and that didn't happen.
They will issue a press release about how they reviewed the report and are satisfied with the findings and responses with regards to athletics -- and perhaps even specifically indicate that the issues were not athletically related -- and that they do not find athletic sanctions appropriate in this case.
This post was edited by Tdailey98 on 7/13/2012 at 12:13 PM
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WebSiteMob said...
Eh ... you can't go that far.
Joe was an overwhelming positive influence in possibly thousands of lives of his players, but teaching them core values & the value of an education.
Joe turned his back on innocent kids, true - but you have to look at the body of work.
Brandon Short is a Wall Street banker with a MBA from Columbia Univ. - I doubt that sort of success occurs - and hundreds like it - if Brandon Short attended any number of schools other than PSU to play high-end college football.
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FireJayPa said...
You mean to keep yourself isolated from how so many people view the University and the football program?
Hiding in seclusion in your VIP bubble won't change the fact that a man given god like status by the student body for decades enabled a child predator for 10+ years. Be angry at Joe, not at people that are point out what happened.
There was no success with honor and the grand experiment was a farce. Everything Joe preached about was an epic joke.
This is why you don't build statues of people that are still living.
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RWC5113 said...
IF what you say is true.
Which it actually isn't. The "school" wouldn't be investigated for anything. The statute of limitations still expired on the act about 7 years ago. And IF a cover-up occurred because of the football program (just playing along) it did not affect player eligibility.
Still no NCAA rule broken even if your protect football scenario is true. A competitive advantage alone is not grounds for sanctions, btw. That's why teams can't just be sanctioned for a player getting caught with steroids. If no NCAA violation occurred, then the NCAA can not, will not, and would rather not dish out any punishment.Collecting bits and pieces of dust theories you've blown out of your ass doesn't change that.
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Vollogan33 said...
You guys totally missed my point, all I was doing was throwing out a scenario for the NCAA to use. We all know the NCAA sucks and I was simply stateing they could come up with some BS like my scenario( see above) to get involved and make them (NCAA) look good in the public eye. I was not saying PSU covered up the whole thing for recruiting was a fact, but I understand the whole defending your school and all cause I do it too, I was responding to the poster who said its not a NCAA case and they can't get involved because its criminal, that's all.
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joven cane said...
"In order to avoid the consequences of bad publicity, the most powerful leaders at the university -- Spanier, Schultz, Paterno and Curley -- repeatedly concealed critical facts relating to Sandusky's child abuse," the report said.
Paterno "was an integral part of this active decision to conceal," Freeh said at a news conference.
• PSU let Sandusky retire in 1999 "not as a suspected child predator, but as a valued member of the Penn State football legacy," allowing him to groom victims.
• PSU did not alert authorities to 2001 assault. Intervening factor in not reporting was conversation between Curley, Paterno.
• PSU failed to adhere to federal law requiring reporting crimes such as the ones Sandusky committed.sure sounds like it was not a cover up.
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Vollogan33 said...
You guys totally missed my point, all I was doing was throwing out a scenario for the NCAA to use. We all know the NCAA sucks and I was simply stateing they could come up with some BS like my scenario( see above) to get involved and make them (NCAA) look good in the public eye. I was not saying PSU covered up the whole thing for recruiting was a fact, but I understand the whole defending your school and all cause I do it too, I was responding to the poster who said its not a NCAA case and they can't get involved because its criminal, that's all.
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JAG24 said...
Again, I realize you people are emotional basket cases, but try to use logic in answering simple questions...
If the NCAA has no jurisdiction, then why did Emmert write the November letter and follow-up after the Freeh report? Don't you think they would have been smart enough not to get involved if they weren't going to do anything to your program? As I have posted and is opined in the Bilas article, below, the NCAA boxed itself in.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8162149/ncaa-better-sanction-penn-state-administrators
This post was edited by RWC5113 on 7/13/2012 at 11:24 PM
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RWC5113 said...
The NCAA INQUIRED about the policies and procedures, etc. at Penn State. If Penn State's policies failed to meet NCAA standards, or any ncaa violations were discovered, the ncaa could come in and take action. However, there is nothing wrong with the compliance department, and minor suggestions were made by Freeh to improve the athletic department. Keep in mind that Freeh's group just did a huge clean sweep investigating the athletic department dating back 15 years and not a single violation was found. The NCAA knows that they aren't gonna be able to find anything if the former FBI director didn't uncover anything after 3.5 million documents were collected, and over 400 interviews conducted many of which focused on the inner-workings of the athletic department. So PSU will answer the inquiry (i.e simple questions) about their policies in place, etc. etc. And from that point, the NCAA will "determine if they will take further action," clearly setting themselves up for a clear out. They were ready to swoop in if anything regarding their rules was uncovered like there was in Baylor. But that is not the case. So 99% chance they accept PSU's answer, give them a pretty strong statement about how awful what happened was, etc. etc. and make a statement about how the justice system has dished out punishments, etc. etc.
Cliffs: They did it for public perception and in case any actual violations were uncovered in the aftermath of the firestorm, which there weren't.
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JAG24 said...
Again, I realize you people are emotional basket cases, but try to use logic in answering simple questions...
If the NCAA has no jurisdiction, then why did Emmert write the November letter and follow-up after the Freeh report? Don't you think they would have been smart enough not to get involved if they weren't going to do anything to your program? As I have posted and is opined in the Bilas article, below, the NCAA boxed itself in.
http://espn.go.com/college-football/story/_/id/8162149/ncaa-better-sanction-penn-state-administrators
This post was edited by PSU17 on 7/13/2012 at 11:28 PM
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