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JAG24 said...
As the previous poster said, the NCAA is wildly unpredictable. But if you read the Emmert letter juxtaposed against the Freeh report things are not looking good for you.
Do you really think the NCAA is going to dole out a few scholarships reductions and a one year post-season ban for this type of institutional cover-up for the most heinous of crimes? They (NCAA) are happy this isn't directly about money as it takes the spotlight off of them for their inability to enforce these rules.
Look, I hate it for Paterno and PSU, but the program is toast. I can all but guarantee other schools are swooping in on your recruits right now.
If you get anything less than a 3 year complete suspension of your program, you should count your blessings. You can get by for a few years without football and return with somewhat of a clean slate. In 6 or 7 years, you can be back to being a bowl team.
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kjc15600 said...
I respect the opinion but disagree 100%. Read the statement from the NCAA today. It basically gives the NCAA an out by saying they are waiting to see PSU response to see if further action if any would be appropriate.
I read it to say if PSU responds with appropriate action the NCAA will accept it as appropriate as well.
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Hamilton Lion said...
Joe Schad @schadjoe NCAA expert attorney Michael Buckner read Freeh Report and said it does not show lack of institutional control as defined by NCAA Manual.
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What part of this numbnut don't you understand? When you have people like this that come out on the record that say they can't find LOIC as defined by the NCAA Manual, then what do you have? I'll wait ...
Please don't use public opinion as an excuse, because once the NCAA caves in towards public opinion, the monkeys will be running the organization, not a sane person with one shred of an education or mind. Please site the exact criteria as to what the NCAA uses as its guidelines when considering to drop the death penalty on a school ... again I'll wait ...
As a parent,which I am or for the many other parents or any grand parents on this board, or even any human beings that hold high moral standards, we all are greatly disturbed by the events of this. It has caused PSU grads as well as PSU fans to think differently about the school they attended and have supported for many years. This has made them sick to their collective stomachs since October and will continue to fester in their guts for years. That said, please don't continue to run over here and spew something you know nothing about son. Don't utter your opinion (which this is nothing more, certainly not fact) because its neither warranted nor wanted. You nor I know nothing about what is going to come down the pipe relative to this situation, but I will tend to believe the Michael Buckner's of the world along with other people who have ties to the NCAA who have come forward that have said something relative to this.
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RWC5113 said...
Would you rather: A: Have Penn State impose sanctions on the football team, banning it from bowl games. Crippling the local economy which is boosted by attendance during football season and the huge influx of fans in the fall... Which then causes the athletic department to lose money, which then causes the school to cut some smaller athletic programs out which provide innocent student-athletes an opportunity for a free quality education while doing something they love. Causing the BigTen conference and it's member schools to lose money due to the sanctions against Penn State, who has already disassociated itself from every person involved in this tragedy.....
OR
B: Penn State continues it's football program as is, and doesn't impose any sanctions since, you know.... no NCAA rules were ever broken. And as a result, the leftover profits generated are donated to help build a child care center on campus, or help organizations such as RAINN raise awareness to these types of crimes. Or use the leftover profits to train staff and university employees on how to properly detect child abuse and take steps to prevent, and report suspicions of such abuse. And go on an aggressive PR campaign to raise awareness for these types of crimes by using PSU football and all it's notoriety as a tool to get it's message across to work towards ensuring this never happens again where it can be prevented.
You tell me which is a better option.
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white_out said...
LOL.
PSU is not losing the program for 3 minutes, let alone 3 years.
So let's go over what's going down:
Penalties:
PSU's immeasurable loss of national respect in terms of athletics from the media, and whether we like it or not that's a major driving force.
PSU is going to shell out millions upon millions of dollars in civil litigation.
PSU is going to probably get one of the stiffest, if not the stiffest fine ever levied by the Dept of Education, which could result in loss of any federal funding and state funding (albeit, I have NO clue how the Dept of Ed works, or what they can or cannot do).
And then the NCAA is going to come in and piggyback on top of that with the morality flag they have? If they do, I hope they revisit Ohio State, because Jim Tressel did an immoral act by lying to them. I hope they visit Arkansas, because Bobby Petrino's morality in adultery, then lying about it and covering it up to the Police. NCAA doesn't want to go down that slope.
So say the NCAA does step in and shut PSU down for 1 year (not going to happen, but for grins and chuckles). Yep, football is gone, but then so is most of the Title IX sports. there goes some local businesses, thus increasing the already extremely high unemployment rate in Central PA.
it's not about football. You cannot punish football without seriously punishing every other sport, most of which had NOTHING to do with Joe Paterno.
Saying "oh, PSU needs a time out" is easy. logistically it causes more problems than anything.
Lastly, by shutting the program down, aren't you bringing even more attention to the things, rather than letting the victims and PSU move forward. The reality is that Penn State is far more than 4 (plus BOT). It is still a world class university that does more good than 95% of the universities out there.
Someone even mentioned that the Big Ten should kick PSU out...to which I say: GOOD!
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JAG24 said...
Honestly, I am sorry for the misfortune and I understand how emotionally raw you must be. That emotional side of the brain has been known to distort rational thinking and I can't blame you folks. The truth is that this is the worst sports story ever, it is a travesty for all of college football.
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JAG24 said...
Yes, it is unbelievable, but it is what the NCAA does. They pile on and could care less about all of the things you have written as penalties, which I think your list pretty well nails.
Again, i am on your side and I hope you get a pass from the NCAA, I just can't see it happening. Good luck.
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JAG24 said...
Honestly, I am sorry for the misfortune and I understand how emotionally raw you must be. That emotional side of the brain has been known to distort rational thinking and I can't blame you folks. The truth is that this is the worst sports story ever, it is a travesty for all of college football.
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Vollogan33 said...
While your statement is accurate and good I will throw this point out there: the reason Joe Pa. or anyone else didn't go to the police was because they didn't want bad P.R. If they had gotten bad press with a coach molesting kids, that would have killed PSU recruiting. I mean what parent would have let their kid go to a school being investigated for child molestation. So yeah the NCAA could say something to that effect to hand out a punishment. JMO.
This post was edited by psujmc1992 on 7/12/2012 at 11:13 PM
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Vollogan33 said...
While your statement is accurate and good I will throw this point out there: the reason Joe Pa. or anyone else didn't go to the police was because they didn't want bad P.R. If they had gotten bad press with a coach molesting kids, that would have killed PSU recruiting. I mean what parent would have let their kid go to a school being investigated for child molestation. So yeah the NCAA could say something to that effect to hand out a punishment. JMO.
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Vollogan33 said...
While your statement is accurate and good I will throw this point out there: the reason Joe Pa. or anyone else didn't go to the police was because they didn't want bad P.R. If they had gotten bad press with a coach molesting kids, that would have killed PSU recruiting. I mean what parent would have let their kid go to a school being investigated for child molestation. So yeah the NCAA could say something to that effect to hand out a punishment. JMO.
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JAG24 said...
Honestly, I am sorry for the misfortune and I understand how emotionally raw you must be. That emotional side of the brain has been known to distort rational thinking and I can't blame you folks. The truth is that this is the worst sports story ever, it is a travesty for all of college football.
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JAG24 said...
The NCAA has been known to give out mixed signals. I wish you all the best of luck with them, but it is a hyper political organization that is very sensitive to public criticism. There's no getting around the fact that they whacked other programs for violations that were nowhere close to PSU's. again, i'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying that you all should hope for the best, but brace yourselves for more bad news. On the positve side, once the NCAA acts, the worst will be over and it will all be uphill from that point.
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strayerbaseball said...
I love how everyone just throws out there that the NCAA does whatever they want. Most people truly don't understand the NCAA inquiry, allegation and investigation process. First, the common misconception that the NCAA does whatever it wants is based on its history of punishment. Yes...the NCAA has a ton of freedom to determine punishment. However, and most importantly the NCAA is governed by legislation (by laws). They cannot just choose to reach beyond the scope of these by laws to present allegations and determine guilt (see Cam Newton scandal- NCAA knew of blatant inappropriae conduct but were restricted by their governing legislaton). So, it's critical to understand the process and not just hope that PSU is innocent or guilty.
It's become clear through reports from multiple experts throughout the day that PSU's handling (the four) of this situation does not fall under the NCAA by law in regards to lack of institutional control. Most rational PSU fans are comfortable with that at this point. The next concern typically moves on to the unethical conduct by law. The unethical conduct by law in no way relates to this situation at PSU. I've seen some claim that section 'd' in the unethical conduct by law could be applicable but in an analysis of this subsection it's clear that it can only be a result of behavior in relation and regards to another violation (of a by law).
The talk of a death penalty or loss of a season is totally of base. Penn State hired the Freeh group to conduct a thorough investigation. The NCAA is very clear in their desire to see institutions if possible to hire outside agencies to conduct investigations. The NCAA views this process of "self reporting all finding as 'bonus points' and the more credible the outside hire the better" (not much more credible than the former director of the FBI). The findings of the Freeh group will be turned over to the NCAA as unbiased, transparent evidence in direct response to the NCAA inquiry. And...a key word is inquiry. The NCAA has not even announced any allegations at this point. The point of allegation is typically when an institution will conduct an investigation. PSU is clearly well ahead of the game when it comes to addressing the NCAA inquiry and possible allegations.
I don't expect the NCAA to get involved here and I think PSU has actually done a great job of providing the NCAA total access to the Freeh finding along the way and demonstrating transparency. Do some reading on the Baylor case and you'll find the promoting good will between the institution and the NCAA goes a long way. It kept Baylor from the death penalty.
Bravo, sir. Bravo.
I wish to simply copy and paste this to any ignorant being that mentions this "death penatly," or "sanctions," nonsense.
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buckfan29 said...
If you're really interested in discussing the heavier issues of the situation, what are you doing on a thread titled "FYI Latest Tweet From Joe Schad About Sanctions"? Clearly, everyone feels bad for the kids involved and terrible about the whole situation, but this particular discussion is obviously about something else. This is about the football team and the fans of the football team.
I feel for you guys, I can't even wrap my head around what you guys are going through as a fan base. And it just makes it all the worse when every national media outlet piles on and makes ridiculous statements, as if everyone else is perfect and Penn State is horrible and the only solution is to shutter the entire University. It's all about making the most outrageous statements to get higher ratings and to drive internet traffic. Ratings are the only objective, truth and rational discussion be damned.
As far the the NCAA sanctions, it's difficult to say what will happen. I agree that this situation doesn't really have to do with he traditional NCAA issues that govern competition on the field, but the bloodthirsty media is screaming and I think the NCAA may buckle to that pressure and try to get involved. The NCAA is notoriously unpredictable, it's impossible to study their involvement and punishments of situations and try to gain an understanding of how they operate.
At any rate, I think we all can agree that positive changes will come to your University because of what has happened, and that will make Penn State a better place for everyone. People from all fan bases need to realize a terrible situation could happen to any University, I'm sure PSU fans never envisioned anything like this this. "There but for the Grace of God go I". I never write much, I mostly just read, but I felt compelled to put my two cents in here. Hang in there, it will get better and you will eventually get back to your proud and storied tradition.
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Posas14 said...
Look around. Statistics say that there is child abuse of 20% of America's children. You're not hearing about it at OSU. But it's probably happening.
Post of the year right here.
Sounds like one of those fake PSA commercials.
I mean you can't honestly believe that.
Anyway, I found it entertaining and at least it was a nice break from all the trolling going on. Carry on.
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JAG24 said...
Yes, it is unbelievable, but it is what the NCAA does. They pile on and could care less about all of the things you have written as penalties, which I think your list pretty well nails.
Again, i am on your side and I hope you get a pass from the NCAA, I just can't see it happening. Good luck.
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joven cane said...
no need for sanctions.
just vacate all of Paterno's wins during the Sandusky era. Paterno and co covered the scandal to protect their legacy.
taking away that legacy should really show them without unfairly punishing the current players.
409 no more
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LaJollaLion said...
Nobody is vacating anything....people need to stop with the stupid pills. Punish the criminals all you want to as they deserve it. If taking away any wins makes anyone think that will help the victims...they are full of it. That is more for other schools fans than anything else. How is it some continue to think that this was a football issue? Since when did child molestation equate to an athletic event...anywhere?
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Vollogan33 said...
While your statement is accurate and good I will throw this point out there: the reason Joe Pa. or anyone else didn't go to the police was because they didn't want bad P.R. If they had gotten bad press with a coach molesting kids, that would have killed PSU recruiting. I mean what parent would have let their kid go to a school being investigated for child molestation. So yeah the NCAA could say something to that effect to hand out a punishment. JMO.
This post was edited by FakeChow on 7/13/2012 at 8:56 AM
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FakeChow said...
Have you checked where PSU ranks in recruiting this year? Coming off of one of the worst scandals in a university's history? In fact, PSU's recruiting is as robust as its been in years.
This post was edited by psujmc1992 on 7/13/2012 at 9:04 AM
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