The Lions' Pride

2 things:

1. too much bad weight and not enough strength
2. Poor OL coaching

And yet he's at the Lions Den every Thursday and Saturday night... I don't wanna give up on him, but... He isn't showing that he wants it... May be another Bani situation (career underachiever)... Hopefully the young guys step up... Diffenbach, Kolb, Archinado, Gress, Smith... Step up guys. There are opportunities there for those who want to take this seriously.

Prior to this summer, light had not gone on for him. Some think he's showing signs, but simply put, does not work hard enough. It definitely is not a matter of coachng, but rather a willingness to be coached. Still a long way to go, but Shrive is an example of a kid who believed his own hype coming in.

Relative to HS, most D-1 OL prospects are usually bigger kids pushing around smaller ones, very few have good enough technique. Once they step on campus, most are shocked to find out just how far they are behind those already in program for a couple of years. That is why ready to play kids like Wiz only come along so often.

Thank you everyone for the insight. I wish he would step up and work harder at it!!!! Tomorrow I am going to Valley View to see Nyeem Wartman take on my Wallenpaupack Buckhorns!!! I am looking forward to seeing Nyeem in action..their defense has been stout this year, giving up only 15 points in 4 games!!! I hear he is a beast...I hope so.

Trash post. He just turned 21 a week ago and hasnt been in a bar ever before that. You can say he doesnt work hard enough, but dont paint the kid as a drunked fool. Hes a great kid.

Do you have to be 21 to get into the bars out there? I know whenever I visited friends at other B1G institutions I was in at 19. And if you were in, you were good. Lets not forget he is also a football player, people know him. He has no problem getting in I am sure.

BTW, I just realized what Coach Tomlin and Hines Ward mean when they keep saying to "be humble"... I feel like some of our current players need to subscribe to that mantra... Stay humble, never be satisfied and work hard... Don't believe your own hype. Just put your nose to the grind and get after it... Some get it (like Silas, Mauti, and others)... Some leave you scratching your head... Shrive is one of those... As is Derrick Thomas (who I hope gets it together, seriously)...

I can state with 100% certainty that Shrive was never in a bar down in State College before he turned 21 years old. You are making things up and/or repeating things you heard, and you state them as a facts. Eric and Matt have completely different personalities. Shrive is aware of where he is at and where he needs to be.

I didn't say he was in a bar underage, but recently he has been in the bar. And I was saying that people have seen him at parties and such. From what they said, he had a "big shot" look on his face. That is heresay. However, when I saw him at the bar myself and heard him talking, it turned me off. That is not heresay, that is my own observation. And I don't drink like I did when I was in undergrad (I'm a grad student), and I know exactly what I was witnessing and hearing. But even if he was drunk, like I said, he's in undergrad. He is supposed to drink. I am not saying that he has a drinking problem or is a bad kid... Some players (like Chaz) go to bars all the time, and barely drink at all. That doesn't matter to me- unless it is the Thursday before a game, in which some of them do go out... I honestly do not know what to think about that. I am torn. I was a partier in my day, so it's almost being hypocritical... But I did talk to Kijana at the bar the other night (his undergrad roomate is a friend of mine)... He said that they never could go out like the kids do now when he was here (in the 90's- 20 years ago)... And that is straight from a former player... Maybe Joe is getting a little soft in that area... Not sure, but take that for what it's worth...

But the idea is not the drinking (I don't care if he was drinking underage- 99.9% of college kids do), but the issue is going to a bar, where you can be "the man", no matter how mediocre you play on the field- not having your head in the right place, not being humble and working hard to be the best, but rather acting as though you are the best and believing the Penn State hype. Being the man at a PSU bar, does not mean that you are competing with the Alabamas of the world... That is my point. His head seems to be in the wrong place STILL- as some insiders have mentioned being the problem in the past... I don't know when the light will come on... Maybe it's similar to the B. Ware situation, in an interview, where he said that he sat back early on in his career because of the people in front of him (Odrick, Still, etc.), they were leaders and it let him get lazy... Hopefully the light comes on soon, but based on what I saw that night, someone needs to talk to the kid.

Similarly, I do not think that it's a coincidence that everyone (around 90% of the posts) on the board has said, "the light didn't come on" or that "he doesnt work hard"... If "Shrive is aware of where he is or where he needs to be", why is everyone, including those with inside knowledge, saying that he doesn't work hard like he should? That is the point here. Never called the kid an alcoholic or meant to badmouth him in any way. Merely meant to illustrate the fact that his head is not where it needs to be. He was at the Lions Den after the win against Temple, and hearing him and McGloin talk, you would think that they were Jake Long and Peyton Manning winning a superbowl together. Again, his head is not in the right place, and I can see what some of the "insiders" mean by saying that he believed his own hype and didn't work as hard as he should've in the past.

Like I said, I think that most of the team does have their head in the right place. Silas, Mauti and others are great leaders, and I am proud to have them on my team... However, I wish that some (like Shrive, Thomas and a few other frustrating, talented kids) would "stay humble", bring the lunch pail, and just put their head down and work. It is a problem for some of our kids, and the results on the field speak for themselves... Just sucks that some of them are at positions of need, where there is an opportunity to start and make an impact.