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  • psubills62 said...

    Don't know why it's always falling on me to "defend" McGloin because frankly, I dislike the guy as much as anyone. But the fact is that he was relatively competent last year. I trust BOB to run an offense more suited to minimizing his mistakes and maximizing what it is McGloin can do - much more than I trust Jay Pa.

    No way we win only 4 games. While a number of those games will be tough, all of them are winnable also. Not saying we win all of them, but there's not a single game I can point to and say "we'll lose that game."

    More question marks on the field? Probably. In a way that's a good thing. Last year we knew De'OnTae Pannell would be playing a lot, and sucking. Coaching will also improve. S&C will improve dramatically.

    I personally see 6 wins as the absolutely lowest, and I expect 8-9 wins.

    I'll start off by stating I think PSU will be 8-4. Now, you state that you have confidence in BOB and him running the offense etc and that things will improve here, there etc. Well what happens if we go 5-7 and things don't improve, they stay the same or get worse? Will the blame fall on BOB?

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Scheelhause is still at Illinois, right? They didn't lose every offensive weapon. After all, he is the dude that got the ball to the offensive weapon you are thinking of, right?

    Navy - totally different bird than Ohio.

    You know Scheelhase was benched at times last year because of poor play, right?

    MTayl72

  • jetli said...

    You mean, much different than your fantasies about how this year will be. There's no guarantee the offense will be significantly better (like 7 or more ppg), and there's even less reason to believe the new DC is anywhere near as good as Bradley.

    What part is fantasy exactly?

    Don't know that I guaranteed anything. But seriously - what part of the offense do you not trust to be better? OL in the new S&C program? Receivers being taught by a coach who is known for developing good route-runners in Hixon? Tight ends, who come from a guy who helped run a TE friendly offense? Do you think our QB's will regress now that Jay Pa is gone? Seriously - what part of the offense will end up better last year than this?

    Bradley was a good DC, I'm not going to disparage him here. Just suffice it to say that our defense was exposed at times. Bradley's defenses were safe and were the reason we could generally count on wins against teams with lesser talent. Will this defense be as safe? Doubt it. Will it be as good? Hard to say at this point.

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  • Bills I don't expect the OL to be better, especially early on.

    MTayl72

  • sneakypete said...

    I'll start off by stating I think PSU will be 8-4. Now, you state that you have confidence in BOB and him running the offense etc and that things will improve here, there etc. Well what happens if we go 5-7 and things don't improve, they stay the same or get worse? Will the blame fall on BOB?

    BOB will definitely deserve blame at that point, as I'm sure a lot of other players/coaches would as well.

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  • MTayl72 said...

    Bills I don't expect the OL to be better, especially early on.

    shrug I guess we'll have to disagree then, because I do.

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  • psubills62 said...

    You're right, we're not a program who can just dispose of those teams, and I'm confident the coaches will see it that way as well.

    Are the chances higher than last year that we'll lose at least one OOC game? Yes, but at the same time I think the chances are higher that we'll sweep. Fewer cupcakes, fewer guaranteed losses.

    Just because we can't dispose of them easily doesn't mean we're likely to lose. Another team being a favorite indicates they're more likely to win, which I disagree with on some of these.

    We had a given OOC loss last year in Bama. We weren't going to beat them last year regardless. Temple, Ohio, Navy and Virginia are all winnable for PSU. However, as a collective group, its a tougher slate that seeing Bama, Temple than two laughing stocks. While you can sweep the OOC slate, you have one or two that can make you cringe a bit.

    There are alot of coin flips on this schedule IMO - no matter how much I want to slice it or dice it. I think we are going to have to agree to disagree and sit back; watch and hope the development goes as planned. God know, we have the right coaches with the right background as far as development in these key positions to turn these perceived coin flips in my mind to wins. Time will tell.

    This post was edited by Hamilton Lion on 6/7/2012 at 1:02 PM

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  • psubills62 said...

    shrug I guess we'll have to disagree then, because I do.

    That's fine. I just know how extremely difficult it is to expect an OL to be that much better while replacing 4 starters and having only two guys with meaningful experience.

    By the end of the year they'll be better probably. But if you expect them better right off the start you're setting yourself up for disapointment. If they are even as good it speaks measures to how good Mac is.

    MTayl72

  • psubills62 said...

    What part is fantasy exactly?

    Don't know that I guaranteed anything. But seriously - what part of the offense do you not trust to be better? OL in the new S&C program? Receivers being taught by a coach who is known for developing good route-runners in Hixon? Tight ends, who come from a guy who helped run a TE friendly offense? Do you think our QB's will regress now that Jay Pa is gone? Seriously - what part of the offense will end up better last year than this?

    Bradley was a good DC, I'm not going to disparage him here. Just suffice it to say that our defense was exposed at times. Bradley's defenses were safe and were the reason we could generally count on wins against teams with lesser talent. Will this defense be as safe? Doubt it. Will it be as good? Hard to say at this point.

    I don't expect QB to be better. McGloin wasn't good in our high school offense the last few years, doubt he improves in a much more complex, skill/talent based offense.

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    sneakypete

  • As I've said for 4 plus months now. We could have a better team and program by the end of the year, and a worse record.

    MTayl72

  • sneakypete said...

    I'll start off by stating I think PSU will be 8-4. Now, you state that you have confidence in BOB and him running the offense etc and that things will improve here, there etc. Well what happens if we go 5-7 and things don't improve, they stay the same or get worse? Will the blame fall on BOB?

    I'm not sure you can place blame on BOB for anything this year. The depth in several areas suck. The talent level that PSU is accustomed to having ISN'T on par. That is on the former staff. Development is more than XXX months. It takes a year or two.

    QB - we have issues
    RB - one injury and we have problems
    WR - lack of game changers ... we have a developer now
    TE - holding down the fort until Breneman comes
    OL - always a project at PSU ... we have a developer in this area now.

    DL - steady as it goes
    LB - steady as it goes
    DB - major weakness in depth and talent.

    Hamilton Lion

  • MTayl72 said...

    As I've said for 4 plus months now. We could have a better team and program by the end of the year, and a worse record.

    I have said the same ... you could very well see marked improvement in many areas, but due to lack of depth, you won't necessarily see it in the win-loss record.

    Hamilton Lion

  • sneakypete said...

    I don't expect QB to be better. McGloin wasn't good in our high school offense the last few years, doubt he improves in a much more complex, skill/talent based offense.

    I actually didn't say QB will be better, I implied he wouldn't regress. I don't think McGloin will get better, but I do think BOB will try to adjust the offense to minimize the mistakes that McGloin is prone to.

    I also think (and this may be crazy) that not switching QB's every couple of series might actually help the offense.

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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    I'm not sure you can place blame on BOB for anything this year. The depth in several areas suck. The talent level that PSU is accustomed to having ISN'T on par. That is on the former staff. Development is more than XXX months. It takes a year or two.

    QB - we have issues
    RB - one injury and we have problems
    WR - lack of game changers ... we have a developer now
    TE - holding down the fort until Breneman comes
    OL - always a project at PSU ... we have a developer in this area now.

    DL - steady as it goes
    LB - steady as it goes
    DB - major weakness in depth and talent.

    I'm not saying "I" would place blame, I was asking if he would. I was only asking him that because he feels BOB will improve everything (to some degree) this year so I was curious if he would also blame BOB if they didn't improve or got worse.

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    sneakypete

  • psubills62 said...

    I actually didn't say QB will be better, I implied he wouldn't regress. I don't think McGloin will get better, but I do think BOB will try to adjust the offense to minimize the mistakes that McGloin is prone to.

    I also think (and this may be crazy) that not switching QB's every couple of series might actually help the offense.

    Personally speaking, I don't think said starter heading into season will hold onto said starting spot as long as one kid continues to develop and stays eligible. At some point, said kid will take over as the starter based on the fact he is more gifted and brings more to the table. The only reason McGloin is starting IMO, he has more relevant game experience.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Personally speaking, I don't think said starter heading into season will hold onto said starting spot as long as one kid continues to develop and stays eligible. At some point, said kid will take over as the starter based on the fact he is more gifted and brings more to the table. The only reason McGloin is starting IMO, he has more relevant game experience.

    I'm hoping you're right about the kid taking over, but I'm not expecting it.

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  • psubills62 said...

    I actually didn't say QB will be better, I implied he wouldn't regress. I don't think McGloin will get better, but I do think BOB will try to adjust the offense to minimize the mistakes that McGloin is prone to.

    I also think (and this may be crazy) that not switching QB's every couple of series might actually help the offense.

    I don't know how our offense will look. I dont know that BOB will adjust the offense to minimize mistakes by McGloin. BOB didn't do well coaching offenses and QBs in college. He did well at NE but he also had Tim Brady. We've never seen him take an untalented kid and put an offense around him to minimize mistakes or anything else. Its why I don't understand why people are so sure he will/can do this. What is this based on? Its a lot easier to design an offense when you have a guy like Brady reading defenses and passing the ball.

    This post was edited by sneakypete on 6/7/2012 at 1:20 PM

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  • psubills62 said...

    I'm hoping you're right about the kid taking over, but I'm not expecting it.

    The reasoning will have a" long term" rationale. Do you want to go into 2013 breaking in another starting QB if you are BOB? If Jones shows he is capable of doing it earlier, why not bite the bullet now as opposed to Spring ball of 2013? If McGloin shows ounces of struggle, then ... it could be construed as a win-win for 2012 and beyond.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Scheelhause is still at Illinois, right? They didn't lose every offensive weapon. After all, he is the dude that got the ball to the offensive weapon you are thinking of, right?

    Navy - totally different bird than Ohio.

    Navy will be coming off what should be a loss in Ireland, coming back jetlagged Sunday night, which for them would feel like Monday morning. They get four days to practice and get their sleep cycles back in order, and then fly back to the Beav.

    If we can't beat them then, we're in serious trouble for the rest of the season defensively.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    Navy will be coming off what should be a loss in Ireland, coming back jetlagged Sunday night, which for them would feel like Monday morning. They get four days to practice and get their sleep cycles back in order, and then fly back to the Beav.

    If we can't beat them then, we're in serious trouble for the rest of the season defensively.

    Problem with Navy is that our defense will be facing an offense they rarely see. Keeping assignments will be key. Now, I expect us to beat them but I understand the worry they and their offense represent.

    This post was edited by sneakypete on 6/7/2012 at 1:26 PM

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  • sneakypete said...

    Problem with Navy is that our defense will be facing an offense they rarely see. Keeping assignments will be key. Now, I expect us to beat them but I understand the worry they and their offense represent.

    Exactly what I'm thinking.

    Hamilton Lion

  • Texas Lion said...

    Navy will be coming off what should be a loss in Ireland, coming back jetlagged Sunday night, which for them would feel like Monday morning. They get four days to practice and get their sleep cycles back in order, and then fly back to the Beav.

    If we can't beat them then, we're in serious trouble for the rest of the season defensively.

    Won't apply, they have the week off between.

    NavyNittany

  • sneakypete said...

    I'll start off by stating I think PSU will be 8-4. Now, you state that you have confidence in BOB and him running the offense etc and that things will improve here, there etc. Well what happens if we go 5-7 and things don't improve, they stay the same or get worse? Will the blame fall on BOB?

    I think the potential exists for us to really struggle in 2013...especially defensively. This is a 3 yr project (minimum) until BOB gets the talent and depth levels to where they need to be.

    With that said, the circumstances will dictate how I view the situation. Are we losing games b/c of lack of talent or subpar coaching? For a few years, BOB can't be blamed for the lack of talent. As you said, the quality of the team could improve despite improved results...in which case, BOB deserves patience. If it's evident that he's out of his depth...regardless of talent...then he deserves full criticism. Thus far, I think his leadership approach, program philosophy, work ethic, and the majority of his personnel decisions have been positive. We'll see if it correlates to on-field results.

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  • NavyNittany said...

    Won't apply, they have the week off between.

    Whoops, didn't realize.

    Thanks for correcting me.

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  • sneakypete said...

    Problem with Navy is that our defense will be facing an offense they rarely see. Keeping assignments will be key. Now, I expect us to beat them but I understand the worry they and their offense represent.

    Good point.

    Reason I said what I did is because stopping the option they run is all about staying home and staying disciplined. If our defense doesn't show discipline, that doesn't bode well for them in the long run. With young DBs, our front seven can't afford to take stupid chances or blow their assignments to try and make a play.

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