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  • Hamilton Lion said...

    Really, Michigan wasn't a big game. Sorry, that team was God awful on defense ... had a losing record coming in IIRC. It's the same argument as people make when PSU beat LSU in the bowl game a few years bad. Was beating a three-loss LSU team at the time a big win?

    It was big for the psyche of PSU and PSU fans ONLY because Michigan had our number. Outside of that, it wasn't a big game IMO. It will be like Iowa this year. Iowa will have multiple losses probably before coming in.

    I agree. I meant that it was a big game for the fanbase due to our issues with Michigan over the years. It definitely wasn't a big game on a national scale or anything like that. Although, I do think it was pretty important from a recruiting standpoint due to the atmosphere.

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  • helpdesk said...

    I've watched every game this season (most offensive series multiple times) and failed to see the look of discomfort or tension as you are describing it. Bolden looks cool, calm, and collected. I guess you see what you want to. Every time I see McGloin drop back I see a chicken with it's head cut off or a Morelli miniature. Funny how that works.

    Check out Bolden's footwork, pocket presence, etc. I'd be happy if we could get him to an "average level" for both. He's below average right now, however, and that's what makes him look uncomfortable.

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  • pdiehm said...

    his touchdown to Moye in the endzone, was a badly thrown ball, Moye made a tremendous adjustment.

    This is absolute bs. Everyone was ooing and ahing over Bolden's 4th down pass last week. This was the exact same route, same placement, everything. The only catch was that Bolden threw into double or triple coverage (bad decisionmaking) and McGloin threw to a single-covered man. Same play, same result, better decision this time around. Please don't act like it was a poor play simply because it came from McGloin.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    All he has to do is learn that not every pass needs to be drilled. It's not a coincidence that he gets more drops than MM. You can blame the WRs all you want, but Bolden throws a hot ball when it isn't needed and makes their jobs much more difficult. It's all about feeling what's going on and making the appropriate adjustment to your throw. I guess that goes back to the "improvising" issue that I see with Bolden.

    True, he could put more touch and air under the ball, but using "too much spin" and "too hard" as excuses is a joke.

    If Moye doesn't have the hands to catch a ball like Bolden throws, he doesn't deserve to be on the field. If this is actually an issue, there are ways Red can strengthen their hands and forearms so they can handle a pass of Bolden's magnitude. I know those machines they have can be cranked up for higher velocity and more spin, maybe we can use that to toughen up Moye's hands so he can come down with a ball thrown so hard.

    On a side note, anybody who's talking about Moye's NFL chances, if he has trouble bringing in Bolden's ball, god help him as a UFA.

    I agree with you about Bolden's need to use more touch, but the use of excuses for why our WRs can't catch is ridiculous.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    True, he could put more touch and air under the ball, but using "too much spin" and "too hard" as excuses is a joke.
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    I agree with you about Bolden's need to use more touch, but the use of excuses for why our WRs can't catch is ridiculous.

    What he ^ said. You can't fault Bolden because receivers drop appropriately thrown balls. He does need some work on screen passes but some people are taking this too far and trying to put every dropped ball on Bolden.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    On a side note, anybody who's talking about Moye's NFL chances, if he has trouble bringing in Bolden's ball, god help him as a UFA.

    +1. When people start talking about the "Bolden cross", the receivers can start complaining.

    p.s. I have a friend who played with John Elway and he said Elway really did throw that hard.

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  • DjHart said...

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    I to have watched the games several times. So you know I want bolden as the Qb. But to me there is something off. I can't quite put my finger on it. Maybe he is not comfortable with the play calling or playing under center. Bolden dose not seem to have any pocket presence. He looks awkward when he tries to slide.

    Maybe saying he looks tight was the wrong choice of words but to me something seems to be off.

    Even with those things said I want bolden as the starter because I can't trust McGloin as the starter. His balls float and there were several floaters yesterday that will get picked in the big games

    I think you and Navy are somewhat close, although nothing in the way he carries himself or plays makes me thing he is tight, or confused, or not seeing the field. The kid played in a running based offense in high school and he comes to a big time program and people can't figure out why he was somewhat flustered with blitzes as a freshman and sophomore? Because he never had to look for a blitz!

    He looks a lot better in shotgun formations, and play action, but they are constantly putting him under center in power formations and not really setting up plays. If you don't give him the appropriate practice reps or game reps it isn't going to get any better.

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  • helpdesk said...

    I think you and Navy are somewhat close, although nothing in the way he carries himself or plays makes me thing he is tight, or confused, or not seeing the field. The kid played in a running based offense in high school and he comes to a big time program and people can't figure out why he was somewhat flustered with blitzes as a freshman and sophomore? Because he never had to look for a blitz!

    He looks a lot better in shotgun formations, and play action, but they are constantly putting him under center in power formations and not really setting up plays. If you don't give him the appropriate practice reps or game reps it isn't going to get any better.

    And we refuse to use Bolden's strengths to help him out. The dude can run...so let him take off some. Let him do a few QB draws after a 3 step drop. It baffles me the stupidity on the play calls for him. How many times a game do we have to run 3 receivers, on the same play, on short sideline patterns? When he is throwing down field, he has a ton of success. Why is it Bolden always seems to get the dumb reverse play calls that never go for anything?

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  • psumichael said...

    What he ^ said. You can't fault Bolden because receivers drop appropriately thrown balls. He does need some work on screen passes but some people are taking this too far and trying to put every dropped ball on Bolden.

    This is what a real receivers fingers look like after playing with a real QB. In this case several years with Kurt Warner. This guy very rarely dropped the ball; I don't care how hot it is thrown.

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  • Basically, they have played even if you are just looking at a game-by-game stand point.

    Indiana State - Slight Edge McGloin
    Alabama - Edge Bolden
    Temple - Slight Edge Bolden
    EMU - Edge McGloin

    Now sure, the "2nd Round" was the most important round (IMO at least) but it isn't like either one has totally outplayed the other at all.

    Also, I don't buy Joe naming a starter this week just because McGloin played better...especially if it's because he now has a "justification" to do so. Who exactly is Joe justifying this too? Certainly not the fans and the media. Maybe the other coaches, but really I don't see Joe playing along for the first 4 or 5 games just to please everybody. If Joe liked McGloin better, he would of flat out said "I like McGloin better", and wouldn't have given a damn what anyone else thought. Right or wrong, justifying this decision isn't probably in Joe's thoughts at all. I really do think Joe doesn't know who he wants to be the starting QB.

    Anyway...I still like Bolden more than McGloin but we'll probably see one more week of this unfortunately.

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  • ams533 said...

    I agree. I meant that it was a big game for the fanbase due to our issues with Michigan over the years. It definitely wasn't a big game on a national scale or anything like that. Although, I do think it was pretty important from a recruiting standpoint due to the atmosphere.

    Let me ask you a question ...

    Last year's recruiting class was horrid for what PSU should be bringing in. Did PSU really get a good return from that amazing atmosphere versus Michigan? Don't take my tone the wrong way, but who did PSU get in last year's class and this year's class based on that game?

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  • bmorepsu said...

    I hate that I agree, but your points seem indisputable. I've never heard a pro-McGloin guy dispute the play calling argument and back it up with facts. Only rag on the pro-Bolden guys for whining. The evidence is there. I have no proof as to why - but the play calling is different with MM in the game. I'd gladly sacrifice this season just to overhaul this coaching staff. I despise the fact that I've waited around another entire off-season only to be frustrated, confused, and depressed by this staff once again.

    Same here, i really hope it is just the fact that our offensive staff is awful, and not just pulling for mcgloin

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  • Using Michigan as a barometer for a big game is comical. They were ranked 119/120 in pass defense. Dead last in pass yards allowed and dead last in pass efficiency.

    To say Michigan was horrible is an understatement. State college high could have thrown for 300 bs Michigan last year

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  • pdiehm said...

    Using Michigan as a barometer for a big game is comical. They were ranked 119/120 in pass defense. Dead last in pass yards allowed and dead last in pass efficiency.

    To say Michigan was horrible is an understatement. State college high could have thrown for 300 bs Michigan last year

    UM was brought up by someone in error which is understandable. When asked for RB's big win, apparently that came up. Neither kid has won a big game for the most part, but only one can somehow. I love when logic that can't be proven is played and then the you don't know what you are talking about card is played. Reference the Temple can't beat UMD thread....some things that are written in stone online aren't really factual. Not directed at you pdiehm...just letting you know how or why UM somehow came up. I'd say we actually let one kid win a big game if the staff somehow allows it before we grant one kid a mythical win in 2014.

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  • psume06 said...

    This is absolute bs. Everyone was ooing and ahing over Bolden's 4th down pass last week. This was the exact same route, same placement, everything. The only catch was that Bolden threw into double or triple coverage (bad decisionmaking) and McGloin threw to a single-covered man. Same play, same result, better decision this time around. Please don't act like it was a poor play simply because it came from McGloin.

    Much different situation with pressure being 4th down and a play to keep you from a loss...and a throw when you easily won the game already.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    True, he could put more touch and air under the ball, but using "too much spin" and "too hard" as excuses is a joke.

    If Moye doesn't have the hands to catch a ball like Bolden throws, he doesn't deserve to be on the field. If this is actually an issue, there are ways Red can strengthen their hands and forearms so they can handle a pass of Bolden's magnitude. I know those machines they have can be cranked up for higher velocity and more spin, maybe we can use that to toughen up Moye's hands so he can come down with a ball thrown so hard.

    On a side note, anybody who's talking about Moye's NFL chances, if he has trouble bringing in Bolden's ball, god help him as a UFA.

    I agree with you about Bolden's need to use more touch, but the use of excuses for why our WRs can't catch is ridiculous.

    Hey, it's not just Moye. All of the receivers have had problems with Bolden's balls at times. All I am saying is that Bolden needs to take the gas off some of his throws. As for spin, even NFL guys have problems with it, particularly when they get a lefty QB in the mix because the ball reacts totally different when it hits their hands. You can call it a cop-out or whatever you want, but it is real and it does have an effect... on all the receivers, not just one or two.

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  • I know it has an effect, so does wind and temperature.

    It might be a a little chilly outside, and their hands don't have as much feeling as they would on a typical July day.

    They might be a little rattled from when Red yelled at them earlier that week. That kind of thing sticks around in a young kid's head. Not good for the confidence, ya know.

    Maybe their girlfriend broke up with them for the defensive end? It's happened before, and heart break doesn't go away on the field.

    Their shoe might be tied a little tighter than they wanted on their right foot, while being a little looser on their left, creating more wind resistance on their left side as the shoe sags a little lower off the foot than the right shoe does whenever the receiver leaves their feet to get the ball. The increase in wind resistance makes it harder for them to square their hips, and subsequently their shoulders, to the football. Poor guy never had a chance.

    This is ridiculous. Velocity and spin are issues for receivers. Tough. If you accept a scholarship, you are expected to learn to deal with such tremendous obstacles.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    I know it has an effect, so does wind and temperature.

    It might be a a little chilly outside, and their hands don't have as much feeling as they would on a typical July day.

    They might be a little rattled from when Red yelled at them earlier that week. That kind of thing sticks around in a young kid's head. Not good for the confidence, ya know.

    Maybe their girlfriend broke up with them for the defensive end? It's happened before, and heart break doesn't go away on the field.

    Their shoe might be tied a little tighter than they wanted on their right foot, while being a little looser on their left, creating more wind resistance on their left side as the shoe sags a little lower off the foot than the right shoe does whenever the receiver leaves their feet to get the ball. The increase in wind resistance makes it harder for them to square their hips, and subsequently their shoulders, to the football. Poor guy never had a chance.

    This is ridiculous. Velocity and spin are issues for receivers. Tough. If you accept a scholarship, you are expected to learn to deal with such tremendous obstacles.

    luckily our holder for kicks is able to handle the spin from our long snapper.

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  • No kidding.

    Could you imagine if an errant snap broke a fingernail? God knows what kind of chaos that would throw the entire special teams unit into.

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  • Texas Lion said...

    No kidding.

    Could you imagine if an errant snap broke a fingernail? God knows what kind of chaos that would throw the entire special teams unit into.

    maybe our special teams coach should teach our wr's the technique to handle that spin, oh wait..

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  • Texas Lion said...

    I know it has an effect, so does wind and temperature.

    It might be a a little chilly outside, and their hands don't have as much feeling as they would on a typical July day.

    They might be a little rattled from when Red yelled at them earlier that week. That kind of thing sticks around in a young kid's head. Not good for the confidence, ya know.

    Maybe their girlfriend broke up with them for the defensive end? It's happened before, and heart break doesn't go away on the field.

    Their shoe might be tied a little tighter than they wanted on their right foot, while being a little looser on their left, creating more wind resistance on their left side as the shoe sags a little lower off the foot than the right shoe does whenever the receiver leaves their feet to get the ball. The increase in wind resistance makes it harder for them to square their hips, and subsequently their shoulders, to the football. Poor guy never had a chance.

    This is ridiculous. Velocity and spin are issues for receivers. Tough. If you accept a scholarship, you are expected to learn to deal with such tremendous obstacles.

    I guess they are just dropping Bolden's passes because they don't like him??

    There is a reason for the drops. Just because you don't find what I said as a valid excuse doesn't mean that it isn't happening. Sorry.

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