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Ditching a Playoff to Save the Rose Bowl (WSJ)

  • leftcoastlion said...

    Why does the length of the season have to increase ? There is month of nothing between the end of the regular season and the major bowls. Do it in there.

    Length of season as the number of games. They've already said they want to take NYD back, that off time will be used. Sorry it wasn't clear enough for you.

    MTayl72

  • MTayl72 said...

    Sweet. I dont care if the four are from power conferences or not.

    But based on the discussions of the BCS, it would be that. That's only a slight improvement than what we have now.

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    appoo

  • chezhoy said...

    not a knock on your reply, but my thought regarding the season length: cut it (the postseason) down like they do for college basketball. I don't care if it's football, they don't need a week off...and they're not all out there every play. Hockey is just as physical (if not more) than football and they play more than one game a week. You could probably say the same for rugby.

    After playing both hockey and football most my life, football is more brutal on the body. And thats not a knock on hockey. Two games that close will never happen. Especially with concussion fears now

    Also, the week off is just as much for game planning than physical rejuvenation. Im fine with every week rather than a month or two off, but not two games a week.

    MTayl72

  • I can't figure out why anyone cares about the bowls, honestly. In the current system, the only bowl that counts is the "championship" game. The rest mean no more than every other game on the schedule, when it comes down to it. Those teams haven't won anything other than a regular game. The point should be to have a true champion. The bowls can still exist anyway, for all the other teams. They won't mean any less than they mean now.

    DocAlan02

  • DocAlan02 said...

    I can't figure out why anyone cares about the bowls, honestly. In the current system, the only bowl that counts is the "championship" game. The rest mean no more than every other game on the schedule, when it comes down to it. Those teams haven't won anything other than a regular game. The point should be to have a true champion. The bowls can still exist anyway, for all the other teams. They won't mean any less than they mean now.

    Tradition. New Year's Day Bowl games mean something, especially to the players involved.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • appoo said...

    But based on the discussions of the BCS, it would be that. That's only a slight improvement than what we have now.

    From what I have heard its to be the top 4 by the BCS indicators, or a selection committee (which would hurt the small teams even more).

    MTayl72

  • appoo said...

    Tradition. New Year's Day Bowl games mean something, especially to the players involved.

    And if those New Year's Day games were playoff games, they wouldn't still mean something? More, in fact, since you would be playing to move on?

    DocAlan02

  • MTayl72 said...

    Completely and utterly disagree with everything except for the hate on the Big East.

    Ok.

    BoulderFish

  • MTayl72 said...

    From what I have heard its to be the top 4 by the BCS indicators, or a selection committee (which would hurt the small teams even more).

    There's also a lot of years where we have multiple 1 loss teams, and multiple 2 loss teams. This past season we had LSU undefeated, Five1 loss teams, and a raft of 2 loss teams. It's like how do you pick from them?

    I feel like the BCS doesn't even really understand why people dislike the BCS, or maybe they do, and just don't care. My guess is the latter.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • DocAlan02 said...

    And if those New Year's Day games were playoff games, they wouldn't still mean something? More, in fact, since you would be playing to move on?

    A final 4 has 3 games. I think they won't like the fact that their games mean even less than they do now, and would rather have a piece of the playoff.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • appoo said...

    There's also a lot of years where we have multiple 1 loss teams, and multiple 2 loss teams. This past season we had LSU undefeated, Five1 loss teams, and a raft of 2 loss teams. It's like how do you pick from them?

    I feel like the BCS doesn't even really understand why people dislike the BCS, or maybe they do, and just don't care. My guess is the latter.

    I think its pretty clear every year who the top 4 teams in college football are, for the most part. Granted it isnt always like that. Someone will always be left out, theres always going to be a cutoff and someone will bitch about it, look at the NCAA tourny. Cant include em all, thank God. The plus one system gives you the elite teams that year in college ball, and keeps the schedule reasonable without having to cut any home games, which cannot happen.

    MTayl72

  • appoo said...

    A final 4 has 3 games. I think they won't like the fact that their games mean even less than they do now, and would rather have a piece of the playoff.

    They won't and can't mean less, because they mean nothing now. You're arguing that in order to keep people from feeling like their meaningless games are meaningless, they should make sure that ALL the games are meaningless?

    DocAlan02

  • appoo said...

    Tradition. New Year's Day Bowl games mean something, especially to the players involved.

    Appoo, I agree. There should only be 4 New Year's Day Bowl games: Rose, Fiesta, Cotton, Sugar...period. There are way too many bowls and they seem just like another game anymore...and they do because there are way too many bowl games and it's almost impossible not to play in one. Bowl games lost sentimental value a long time ago...other than the well know ones...not Joe Schmoe's Pizza bowl. I'd rather watch teams battle for Paul Bunyan's Axe or the Little Brown jug than these no-name bowl games.

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    chezhoy

  • DocAlan02 said...

    They won't and can't mean less, because they mean nothing now. You're arguing that in order to keep people from feeling like their meaningless games are meaningless, they should make sure that ALL the games are meaningless?

    lol, if they gave everyone a bowl game it'd be similar to giving your kid a pat on the back for waking up in the morning...

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    chezhoy

  • MTayl72 said...

    I think its pretty clear every year who the top 4 teams in college football are, for the most part. Granted it isnt always like that. Someone will always be left out, theres always going to be a cutoff and someone will bitch about it, look at the NCAA tourny. Cant include em all, thank God. The plus one system gives you the elite teams that year in college ball, and keeps the schedule reasonable without having to cut any home games, which cannot happen.

    I'm not even sure about knowing a top 4. Last year we had LSU & Alabama. After that you had a bunch of teams you could argue being deserving of that 4th team such as Okie State, Oregon, Boise State, Stanford, South Carolina and possibly even Wisconsin.

    I think CBK works well because all conference champs get an invite, and the only teams you're cutting off are the ones who would be 9 - 12 seeds. Generally no one cares about them beyond a day. I'd like to see something similar to that in CFB. If you don't win your conference, and you don't finish in the next 5 after that in the BCS, you can't really complain about that.

    I still believe this is simply about a couple of power conferences wanting to make sure smaller schools don't have easy access. They don't see upside in playing a dangerous MAC team in a playoff game.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • appoo said...

    I'm not even sure about knowing a top 4. Last year we had LSU & Alabama. After that you had a bunch of teams you could argue being deserving of that 4th team such as Okie State, Oregon, Boise State, Stanford, South Carolina and possibly even Wisconsin.

    I think CBK works well because all conference champs get an invite, and the only teams you're cutting off are the ones who would be 9 - 12 seeds. Generally no one cares about them beyond a day. I'd like to see something similar to that in CFB. If you don't win your conference, and you don't finish in the next 5 after that in the BCS, you can't really complain about that.

    I still believe this is simply about a couple of power conferences wanting to make sure smaller schools don't have easy access. They don't see upside in playing a dangerous MAC team in a playoff game.

    Okie State was an obvious third team the fourth was harder, but the fact that its hard to get a pure 4th team only helps. I think it would be Oregon, but they got beat down by LSU last year.

    MTayl72