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Ditching a Playoff to Save the Rose Bowl (WSJ)

  • http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702304203604577396102303663334.html

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    chezhoy

  • Ugh, no thanks. We already lost one shot at a national title because of the Rose Bowl and I'd prefer not to lose any more.

    PSU17 ●

  • I think the championship should be determined by the winners of the 4 major bowls, which would then be a 4-team playoff (1 v 4, 2 v 3...rankings determined by end-of-season rankings) and then the championship game.

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  • chezhoy said...

    I think the championship should be determined by the winners of the 4 major bowls, which would then be a 4-team playoff (1 v 4, 2 v 3...rankings determined by end-of-season rankings) and then the championship game.

    I think that as well and have been pushing that for the last couple of years. Technically though, that would be an 8 team playoff. Sshhhhh...

    getmyjive11 ●

  • The plus one is the best idea I've heard. Preserve the essence of college football while avoiding disasters like 1994 psu.

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  • getmyjive11 said...

    I think that as well and have been pushing that for the last couple of years. Technically though, that would be an 8 team playoff. Sshhhhh...

    Bad idea. 4 is ideal 8 is starting to push it really. Then you start talking a shorter regular season, which honeslty cannot happen.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Bad idea. 4 is ideal 8 is starting to push it really. Then you start talking a shorter regular season, which honeslty cannot happen.

    I would argue 8 is ideal, but it may not be practical.

    gemrich ●

  • Love 8. playoffs at the home field of the higher seed.

    Makes me all frothy just thinking about it.

    bonovoxpsu ●

  • gemrich said...

    I would argue 8 is ideal, but it may not be practical.

    Gem I can see where you're coming from. But in the last 20 years can you point to a year where approximately 8 teams had a legitimate claim at playing for the national title? I really want to keep winning every game (or near it) in the regular season as important as possible.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Gem I can see where you're coming from. But in the last 20 years can you point to a year where approximately 8 teams had a legitimate claim at playing for the national title? I really want to keep winning every game (or near it) in the regular season as important as possible.

    It's more that there are times that a 5 or 6 (one loss team from a big conference or undefeated small conference team) will be excluded. Once you get to 9 you can't complain. Really I'd be okay with six at a minimum, but that of course is not possible. I like eight. It's not perfect but it's the best option in my opinion. Four is certainly an improvement.

    gemrich ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Gem I can see where you're coming from. But in the last 20 years can you point to a year where approximately 8 teams had a legitimate claim at playing for the national title? I really want to keep winning every game (or near it) in the regular season as important as possible.

    Your alternative would be 2 bowl winners play for the national title, with the 2 bowls rotating? With the 2 bowl team picks are the top 4 in the polls after conference playoffs.

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    Your alternative would be 2 bowl winners play for the national title, with the 2 bowls rotating? With the 2 bowl team picks are the top 4 in the polls after conference playoffs.

    I prefer what the B1G proposed: top 4 get a chance, top 2 host. But whatever way they go can work. I dont want anymore than 4, beyond thaat I would prefer to stick with the system we have, which I think people bitch about way too much.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    I prefer what the B1G proposed: top 4 get a chance, top 2 host. But whatever way they go can work. I dont want anymore than 4, beyond thaat I would prefer to stick with the system we have, which I think people bitch about way too much.

    Sounds reasonable. My reasoning behind keeping it in the bowl system would be to get the bowl lobby buy in. If it is another home game for the top 2 teams the bowls get nothing, hence they would lobby against.

    danmcc

  • danmcc said...

    Sounds reasonable. My reasoning behind keeping it in the bowl system would be to get the bowl lobby buy in. If it is another home game for the top 2 teams the bowls get nothing, hence they would lobby against.

    I gotcha. I love the bowls, though I want to dump some lower ones. I think what happpens, and im fine with personally, is big locales (bowlshe or otherwise) for the two semi games and the champ. Thats fine.

    MTayl72 ●

  • This article really touches on the things I hate about being a part of the B1G. Most notably, the writer's assumption about the B1G team being "ritually humiliated" every year in the Rose Bowl, as well as Delaney's quote about location. He says it's about the Midwest vs. the West. While there may be some similarities between PA and Midwest states, I do not consider PSU to be located in the Midwest.

    No real relevance to the topic here, but it just reinforced some of the things that gnaw at me about being in this conference.

    "I believe in what Coach Paterno set forth.”- Garrett Sickels "A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation."- Gerald Hodges

    fortheglory94 ●

  • I love the Rose Bowl, and dislike the current playoff formats bandied about. If you win a conference, any conference, you should get a shot at winning the national title - period.

    My idea is that all 11 conference winners should get an auto-bid, and then the next 5 highest rated programs, as rated by the BCS, would get an invite. Seeds would be done by BCS ratings.

    The first round can be hosted by high seed. The round of 8 can use the Cotton Bowl, Cap One Bowl, A bowl in Detroit or Indy, and one of the Fiesta, Rose, Sugar, or Orange depending on rotation.

    The Final four would be based on rotation of the Fiesta, Rose, Sugar, and Orange.

    This is what the playoff would have looked like last year:

    ACC Champ - Clemson
    Big East Champ - West Virginia
    SEC Champ - LSU
    Pac12 Champ - Oregon
    Big 12 Champ - Okie State
    Big 10 Champ - Wisconsin
    MAC - Ohio
    Mountain West - TCU
    Sun Belt - Ark State
    Conference UCA - Southern Miss
    WAC - La Tech

    At-Large Bids:
    Alabama
    Stanford
    Arkansas
    Boise State
    Kansas State

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    appoo

  • Simple fix.... Take the 4 BCS bowls and take the top 10 of the BCS standings is an AQ conference has their champion in there then they go to their tie in bowl. Then take any spots left open and fill them from lowest rank to highest regardless of Confetence. If an AQ conference fails 3 years in a row to send a team they lose their spot and the conference with the best record behind them gets the new AQ spot.

    The final 2 games are played in the bowl city of the 2 highest ranked teams and the title the bowl city of the highest ranked teams.

    All other teams fill bowls as mentioned below.

    Boom #topic

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  • gemrich said...

    It's more that there are times that a 5 or 6 (one loss team from a big conference or undefeated small conference team) will be excluded. Once you get to 9 you can't complain. Really I'd be okay with six at a minimum, but that of course is not possible. I like eight. It's not perfect but it's the best option in my opinion. Four is certainly an improvement.

    Why is six not possible ? Top two seeds get a bye.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion ●

  • leftcoastlion said...

    Why is six not possible ? Top two seeds get a bye.

    Length of season increases by a week. Most likely would have to substract one from the regular season, which will never and should never happpen.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Gem I can see where you're coming from. But in the last 20 years can you point to a year where approximately 8 teams had a legitimate claim at playing for the national title? I really want to keep winning every game (or near it) in the regular season as important as possible.

    The winner of each BCS conference IMO has a legitimate claim (well, other than the BE perhaps). And sometimes a second place team (i.e. if a conf championship game causes a split between the two top teams in a conference), or a team not in a BCS conference has a legitimate claim. That is why I agree with gem that 8 teams is idea.

    Take the winner of each BCS conference, then fill out the 8 with the next highest ranked teams.

    BoulderFish

  • BoulderFish said...

    The winner of each BCS conference IMO has a legitimate claim (well, other than the BE perhaps). And sometimes a second place team (i.e. if a conf championship game causes a split between the two top teams in a conference), or a team not in a BCS conference has a legitimate claim. That is why I agree with gem that 8 teams is idea.

    Take the winner of each BCS conference, then fill out the 8 with the next highest ranked teams.

    Completely and utterly disagree with everything except for the hate on the Big East.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Completely and utterly disagree with everything except for the hate on the Big East.

    If you make a playoff, it should be inclusive rather than exclusive to just the power conferences.

    Black Shoes. Basic Blues. No Name. All Game.

    appoo

  • MTayl72 said...

    Length of season increases by a week. Most likely would have to substract one from the regular season, which will never and should never happpen.

    Why does the length of the season have to increase ? There is month of nothing between the end of the regular season and the major bowls. Do it in there.

    new-era said... Psu doesnt have enough to beat the conferences better teams and wiscy is one of them.

    leftcoastlion ●

  • appoo said...

    If you make a playoff, it should be inclusive rather than exclusive to just the power conferences.

    Sweet. I dont care if the four are from power conferences or not.

    MTayl72 ●

  • MTayl72 said...

    Length of season increases by a week. Most likely would have to substract one from the regular season, which will never and should never happpen.

    not a knock on your reply, but my thought regarding the season length: cut it (the postseason) down like they do for college basketball. I don't care if it's football, they don't need a week off...and they're not all out there every play. Hockey is just as physical (if not more) than football and they play more than one game a week. You could probably say the same for rugby.

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