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sneakypete said...
You're the one kidding yourself. The job was DOBs if he came, same as at Wisky. Wisky also has a young QB they are high on and would probably play better then Bolden at this point. It will take time for Bolden and PJ to unlearn then learn correctly. DOB would've had a VERY long leash, don't kid yourself.
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md154 said...
NOBODY on here said DOB wouldn't be the QB. We are talking about the situation from DOB's perspective. Mostly everyone on here would agree he would probably start. But as a kid coming into a program and seeing the "competition" for the first time....it would be VERY easy for him to see Bolden and Jones' skill set and say "geez, these guys are pretty good. They got good size, good athletes, good arms......why should I worry about competing with that if I don't have to?" You can only trust a coach so much...and if he tells you "you're my guy", that's great and all. But if you see, with your own eyes, a few other guys who also have some skill, you have to question the WHAT IF that guy does step it up? That coach who promised me the job may make a switch if he feels the other guy has developed.
Simple.
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POV said...
I am not going to read this entire thread, but Bolden is an absolute disaster case. His confidence is so bad, I don't know how he can recover in short order. Worse, is that I don't think time matters in his case. You really can't teach feel of pass rushers. What we once thought was poise was a case of obliviousness.
Can PJ play? When he was battling Bolden in the beginning it was said he had trouble picking up JayPa's playbook. Now he has to pick up a presumably more complicated one. He also hasn't been eligible since, well pretty much forever.
I do think something may have changed when DOB watched practice earlier in the week. Did our guys look good in their uniforms? That is just wild speculation, but possible, I suppose. What we do know is our guys can't play.
We have McGloin for one year and then what? Bench as a RS frosh. Hackenburg as a true frosh? It might be four years before we see competent QB play. DOB is a huge loss and a real setback for BOB any way you slice it.
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Hamilton Lion said...
Whether its getting old or not, the fact remains, he can't be trusted. As I have mentioned before, BOB said PJ is eligible for now, which left the door open saying he isn't out of the woods. He could very well not be eligible come August. People are pinning their hopes that this kid gets his act together in the classroom and all the sudden becomes the player they thought he would be coming out of high school, a decorated four star (whatever that means) that can start.
It's not an obsession, its the truth. Fact is, this kid hasn't played a single game of college football for two years. He hasn't played a single game of football since his last game in high school (I don't count the controlled scrimmage called the B&W Game).
While you make some valid points, you can't dismiss his negatives or challenges either. Neither you nor I know what to make of PJ on the field. We have a good idea what to make of him in the classroom. I hope he turns it around and makes impact this year too because I don't have confidence in the other two. He is the most intriguing of the three. However, I have seen posters saying he "is the man". How do they know? They haven't seen him for two years and that was a controlled scrimmage.
By the way, its not likely a Matt Cassell story happens again.
God, how arrogant some people can be - "he can't be trusted"?? WTF are you to make that statement? I could care less whether you think PJ is trustworthy or not, I'll let OB make that decision. If he starts PJ it's because PJ deserves to start. Oh, and Brad Johnson says hello as well...
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Nittanynole said...
God, how arrogant some people can be - "he can't be trusted"?? WTF are you to make that statement? I could care less whether you think PJ is trustworthy or not, I'll let OB make that decision. If he starts PJ it's because PJ deserves to start. Oh, and Brad Johnson says hello as well...
...and if you're not down with that, then I got 2 words for ya.."suck it!!"
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Nittanynole said...
God, how arrogant some people can be - "he can't be trusted"?? WTF are you to make that statement? I could care less whether you think PJ is trustworthy or not, I'll let OB make that decision. If he starts PJ it's because PJ deserves to start. Oh, and Brad Johnson says hello as well...
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sneakypete said...
Ya, how arrogant for him to say such things when the two years PJ has been at PSU he has been ineligible. The arrogance of junction look at PJs track record and not trust him. Blind faith is what he should have. He probably judges politicians on performance and results too. What an idiot.
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sneakypete said...
Ya, how arrogant for him to say such things when the two years PJ has been at PSU he has been ineligible. The arrogance of junction look at PJs track record and not trust him. Blind faith is what he should have. He probably judges politicians on performance and results too. What an idiot.
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Nittanynole said...
Sorry, but your schtick is no more compelling here than it was on previous boards. PJ is a college kid. He didn't do well his first year in school, and as a result redshirted his freshman year, then got behind in credits, which cost him last year. You people are acting like the kid got in trouble with the law, or was fighting with teammates, or some other heinous act. He's eligible. He evidently impressed in practice yesterday based on comments elsewhere. If he wins the job and OB starts him this Fall, I could give a flying flip whether you or Hamilton or anyone else believes he "can't be trusted". If you can;t recognize that comment as arrogant and condescending, I don't know what to tell you. (Note - forgot who I was talking to, sorry).
As for Brad Johnson, Hamilton tried to make the point that the Matt Cassell thing was a fluke. Brad sat behind Casey Weldon his whole career and ended up in the NFL. A) it happens, b) PAUL HAS THREE YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY LEFT. Anyone here think three years isn't enough for a 5-star recruit to become a satisfactory qb under OB and Fisher??
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Sorry, but your schtick is no more compelling here than it was on previous boards. PJ is a college kid. He didn't do well his first year in school, and as a result redshirted his freshman year, then got behind in credits, which cost him last year. You people are acting like the kid got in trouble with the law, or was fighting with teammates, or some other heinous act. He's eligible. He evidently impressed in practice yesterday based on comments elsewhere. If he wins the job and OB starts him this Fall, I could give a flying flip whether you or Hamilton or anyone else believes he "can't be trusted". If you can;t recognize that comment as arrogant and condescending, I don't know what to tell you. (Note - forgot who I was talking to, sorry).
As for Brad Johnson, Hamilton tried to make the point that the Matt Cassell thing was a fluke. Brad sat behind Casey Weldon his whole career and ended up in the NFL. A) it happens, b) PAUL HAS THREE YEARS OF ELIGIBILITY LEFT. Anyone here think three years isn't enough for a 5-star recruit to become a satisfactory qb under OB and Fisher??
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sneakypete said...
PJ is behind in credits because he was doing poor in classes and then dropped them. So far he has shown that he can't be trusted to be counted on to be eligible for the season. That's a fact, not an arrogant statement. Nobody, not Hamilton or myself, said it would be bad if PJ was named the starter by BOB. What's being said is that as of right now you can't count on him or consider him because he hasn't been able to stay eligible. Facts, not faith, point to this. NOBODY is treating him like a criminal or even close to it. People are pointing out and rightfully so, that he can't be trusted right now based ON HIS OWN ACTIONS. If you were a loan officer and your customer defaulted on his past two loans would you blindly say you believe he can be trusted now? No statement of arrogance was made, not one.
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The Heel said...
If I was a prognosticator.. I I'm pretty sure I value BoB's opinion here more than yours.
If I was looking for a reference as loan officers often do... I'd probably also stick with BoB here.
Its not like we have any comment from BoB though right?
Oh wait... we do.
Q. What is Paul Jones' academic standing right now, and how concerned are you moving forward that he'll be able to keep his grades up?
COACH O'BRIEN: I've really been happy with Paul Jones this semester. He's doing well in school. He's really working hard right now. Obviously the final grades aren't out right now, but just the updates that I've been getting from our academic staff, it seems to me that Paul has turned a corner academically, and so hopefully he finishes strong and he'll be ready to go for next year. Obviously, we'll rep him in spring in anticipation of him being able to play.
So that's where I see Paul Jones right now.
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sneakypete said...
PJ is behind in credits because he was doing poor in classes and then dropped them. So far he has shown that he can't be trusted to be counted on to be eligible for the season. That's a fact, not an arrogant statement. Nobody, not Hamilton or myself, said it would be bad if PJ was named the starter by BOB. What's being said is that as of right now you can't count on him or consider him because he hasn't been able to stay eligible. Facts, not faith, point to this. NOBODY is treating him like a criminal or even close to it. People are pointing out and rightfully so, that he can't be trusted right now based ON HIS OWN ACTIONS. If you were a loan officer and your customer defaulted on his past two loans would you blindly say you believe he can be trusted now? No statement of arrogance was made, not one.
"Can't be trusted" is a poor and condescending word choice.
It suggests that he is dishonest, not trustworthy, as opposed to a kid who, perhaps (i dont' know the details) went to an academically challenged high school and has had a bit of difficulty getting adjusted to college academics.
Words are important.Its like I took a look at the "stars" besides posters names, and said "sleazypete only has 4 stars, and cant' be trusted to earn that 5th star".
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"Can't be trusted" is a poor and condescending word choice. It suggests that he is dishonest, not trustworthy, as opposed to a kid who, perhaps (i dont' know the details) went to an academically challenged high school and has had a bit of difficulty getting adjusted to college academics. Words are important.
Its like I took a look at the "stars" besides posters names, and said "sleazypete only has 4 stars, and cant' be trusted to earn that 5th star".
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The Heel said...
If I was a prognosticator.. I I'm pretty sure I value BoB's opinion here more than yours.
If I was looking for a reference as loan officers often do... I'd probably also stick with BoB here.
Its not like we have any comment from BoB though right?
Oh wait... we do.
Q. What is Paul Jones' academic standing right now, and how concerned are you moving forward that he'll be able to keep his grades up?
COACH O'BRIEN: I've really been happy with Paul Jones this semester. He's doing well in school. He's really working hard right now. Obviously the final grades aren't out right now, but just the updates that I've been getting from our academic staff, it seems to me that Paul has turned a corner academically, and so hopefully he finishes strong and he'll be ready to go for next year. Obviously, we'll rep him in spring in anticipation of him being able to play. So that's where I see Paul Jones right now.
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pennstatel0 said...
"Can't be trusted" is a poor and condescending word choice. It suggests that he is dishonest, not trustworthy, as opposed to a kid who, perhaps (i dont' know the details) went to an academically challenged high school and has had a bit of difficulty getting adjusted to college academics. Words are important.
Its like I took a look at the "stars" besides posters names, and said "sleazypete only has 4 stars, and cant' be trusted to earn that 5th star".
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psujmc1992 said...
+1. Does anyone know the details of his academic problems? For all we know he had one REALLY bad semester his freshman year and fell so far behind it took him ALL THE WAY THROUGH THE FALL SEMESTER OF HIS SOPHOMORE SEASON to catch up. Or maybe it's just easier to assume he's a retard.
He may or may not be a good QB. We will get to find out at some point. But the questioning of his intelligence without knowing anything about him is ridiculous.
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Did Jones and Bolden scare DOB away??