The Lions' Pride

He did hand it to him. Thinking otherwise is hilarious. BOB has 2 QBs on the roster with same eligibility as DOB, plus and yet he went hard DOB. Hmm. Keep telling yourself he wasn't handed the job.

I remember if they aren't eligible after spring, summer classes couldn't bring them back. I never heard if failing summer classes could make someone ineligible.

Wisconsin fan here. Hilarious how the primary rationale offered for DOB picking UW is fear of competition from your existing QBs. You guys all know that they're not any good - you saw it last season. Your old OC wasn't throwing those INTs and missing those reads, your QBs were. Ours stink too. It's no coincidence UW and PSU were his finalists. You have to get over the assumption that because your QBs were highly sought after recruits they're going to be good college QBs. Not many really good QBs have a history of not making the grade. It either means you're undisciplined, not smart, or both. Good QBs tend to be bright and hard working, like DOB. UW fans have been trained by years of sub par recruiting to judge what they see on the field, not how many stars a kid has. And what I have seen tells me that DOB would easily have started at PSU. He chose UW because he has a better chance to win there. All the pieces are in place except a QB. He won't be as good as Russell Wilson but he'll be an upgrade over what's there now.

Im not disagreeing with you, but two things:

1) The rational fans understand that
2) Go fuck yourself for trying to start shit.

What have you seen? Paul Jones? An O'Brien run offense? You have no idea what you're talking about since none of have seen it either.

This thread was a great surprise. Yum.

Exactly, he chose Wisky because he had a chance to win, not better his stock for the NFL, if he had those dreams. Don't kid yourself - not that big of a difference between what we have and what you have under center before O'Brien. Neither situation was good. Our's better because they had experience. Your coaches are getting VERY LAZY - especially your QB coach. Doesn't seem to want to work or do his job ... Wilson last year, O'Brien now ... who in two years? Maybe your staff should recruit QBs out of high school instead of having to go the transfer route. If you didn't have Wilson, you would have been merely average last year despite that massive OL. Funny thing about winning - as bad as our QB play was last year and as questionable as our OL was and as average at best for our offense, PSU came to Madison with a chance to go to the BIG title game. We didn't lose to OSU, like you did and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that if we had average QB play versus Nebraska, we play Sparty in the title game - not you. So ... It could also be said - your winning coaches - OL/OC are elsewhere. They made you go. Now, you have new - the unknown.

No chief, not too many of us think our QBs will be studs because they were highly recruited. We have come to the conclusion they are non factors and for the most part don't want to see them on the field for various reasons. If O'Brien can turn Bolden into a serviceable QB, he is the best coach in America as far as QB development IMO.

Bottom line, he saw four or five QBs on PSU's roster and wasn't given the "you are our starting QB regardless" talking to that BB gave him. Any solid confident QB knows, he could step into PSU and win the job without real problem (ours wouldn't have pushed him) and without the guarantee from the coach. He was somewhat scared. He didn't want to work for the starting position.

As a collective fan base, I'm amazed what two back to back Rose Bowls has done to your egos. You have become an arrogant bunch, to the extent of OSU. You think PSU is second rate to you because of one score that happened in Madison this year. Hate to tell you, the previous two meetings were ass kickings going the other way. Short memories. We won't delve into traditions or histories. That is a complete mismatch.

As do your masses as well.

Whether its getting old or not, the fact remains, he can't be trusted. As I have mentioned before, BOB said PJ is eligible for now, which left the door open saying he isn't out of the woods. He could very well not be eligible come August. People are pinning their hopes that this kid gets his act together in the classroom and all the sudden becomes the player they thought he would be coming out of high school, a decorated four star (whatever that means) that can start.

It's not an obsession, its the truth. Fact is, this kid hasn't played a single game of college football for two years. He hasn't played a single game of football since his last game in high school (I don't count the controlled scrimmage called the B&W Game).

While you make some valid points, you can't dismiss his negatives or challenges either. Neither you nor I know what to make of PJ on the field. We have a good idea what to make of him in the classroom. I hope he turns it around and makes impact this year too because I don't have confidence in the other two. He is the most intriguing of the three. However, I have seen posters saying he "is the man". How do they know? They haven't seen him for two years and that was a controlled scrimmage.

By the way, its not likely a Matt Cassell story happens again.

Except our quarterbacks haven't head real coaching since they've been there. So the high recruit status DOES matter now because they are basically freshman all over again with actual, real life coaching coming. So the skills are there for both of those guys and now they have a chance to learn from coaches that actually have a clue. Don't kid yourself into thinking otherwise. It doesn't guarantee success, but it does provide DOB with a moment of pause to realize he will have to still compete and perform very consistently if there is talent behind him.

He doesn't have to worry about that, AT ALL, at Wisconsin. Kid yourself all you want, but it's true.

Exactly. I hadn't realize that it took brains to realize what you posted, but based on how many there are that don't get it, I guess it's a complex idea for so many (and 100% from Wisconsin).

I didn't think it took brains to figure out it would take more then one offseason to undue what Bolden went through then also coach him up and teach him a new system. Same with PJ who also has to work twice as hard just to stay eligible. I didn't realize BOB and the QB coach were wizards with magic spells. Didn't realize it was a complex idea to realize it will take time for Bolden and PJ. We also don't know how good of a QB coach BOB is or isn't.