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  • BoulderFish said...

    Even Joe says he wishes he had done more in hindsight -- which implies he thinks he should have and could have done more.

    That, however, does not necessarily mean it's fair to criticize how Joe handled the knowledge he learned (via MM).

    How people react to new knowledge is steeped heavily in the context of the knowledge they already have. Not acknowledging that is the definition of self-righteousness. It's pretty clear Joe had no previous experience with such behavior, and could not grasp what he was learning.

    I can freely admit that before this scandal broke out at my school, I was in the same boat.

    I will freely admit that I would have had just as difficult of a time knowing what, and how much to do if I were in Joe's shoes AT THE TIME.

    I too have had no experience with such behavior (thank God), and without any experience, it's not something my brain is able to understand/comprehend. As I think did Joe, I could understand that what I was learning was/is bad, and therefore would report it to someone above me who I would hope could understand and take the appropriate action.

    But beyond that, I would have just wanted to distance myself from the whole situation. And that has nothing to do with selfishness or wanting to cover something up -- But rather simply because I'm aware enough to know it's bad, but not aware/experienced enough to understand the true reality of it.

    Now, with that said. Now that I've lived through this happening at my school, an paying so close attention to all of this. I'm pretty sure how I should handle it. I think, anyway. Before this, I wouldn't have handled it well (apparently) -- But I would have thought I handled it as well as I could at the time -- and I would later, after learning more, be saying that "I should have done something differently, or something more."

    Criticizing Joe for the way he handled this, or criticizing the way I think I would have handled it, is like criticizing someone for hitting the breaks the first time they ever hydroplane -- Or for turning the wheel the wrong way the first time they lose control of their car in the snow. Without prior education/knowledge/experience, you only have "human nature" to go on when deciding your reaction. Even though after the fact, they'll understand that they should have reacted differently, and will readily admit it, it's just not fair to criticize someone for their handling of something when 1) It wasn't malicious; and 2) it was completely based on basic human nature.

    So you would agree that it's not OK to critcize the BOT for how they handled things (including Joe's firing) as they have never been through such an event and everything else you stated, right?

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    So you would agree that it's not OK to critcize the BOT for how they handled things (including Joe's firing) as they have never been through such an event and everything else you stated, right?

    Not at all. The board of trustees is there for the purpose of handling these crisis situations. They are the last line of defense for PSU. They signed up for the job because they believed they were qualified to be a part of this last line of defense. It is their job to be prepared for the extraordinary.

    Joe was hired to coach football. He was not, or at least did not think he was expected to personally deal with situations like this, rather than hand them off to his superiors who supposedly were supposed to be equipped with the knowledge of how to handle situations like this.

    BoulderFish

  • Surely this is not the first time anyone here has heard of child abuse, child endangerment, or sexual deviants preying on children. What I'd like to know from the soapbox preaching, self appointed moral compass for humanity types, what have you done in past to help abused children so they would not be subject to such acts? I'm not alking about writing a check either.

    nttnylyon

  • BoulderFish said...

    Not at all. The board of trustees is there for the purpose of handling these crisis situations. They are the last line of defense for PSU. They signed up for the job because they believed they were qualified to be a part of this last line of defense. It is their job to be prepared for the extraordinary.

    Joe was hired to coach football. He was not, or at least did not think he was expected to personally deal with situations like this, rather than hand them off to his superiors who supposedly were supposed to be equipped with the knowledge of how to handle situations like this.

    I'm not getting in to this on the board today but strongly disagree with you.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • nttnylyon said...

    Surely this is not the first time anyone here has heard of child abuse, child endangerment, or sexual deviants preying on children. What I'd like to know from the soapbox preaching, self appointed moral compass for humanity types, what have you done in past to help abused children so they would not be subject to such acts? I'm not alking about writing a check either.

    The moral arguments many people use to tear Joe apart are untenable.

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    psubills62

  • nttnylyon said...

    Surely this is not the first time anyone here has heard of child abuse, child endangerment, or sexual deviants preying on children. What I'd like to know from the soapbox preaching, self appointed moral compass for humanity types, what have you done in past to help abused children so they would not be subject to such acts? I'm not alking about writing a check either.

    Don't look at me, I've never preached and stressed morality and claimed to be honorable etc. and shove it down peoples throats like Joe did. I don't understand why it's wrong for people to be upset that in this instance Joe didn't practice what he preached.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • We have lived by the law for many yrs...and upheld it, however what happened in Happy Valley is deplorable, saying we should have done more simply isn't going to be enough in todays everyone speaks there own words "world"...I wish it was enough but it won't cut it...We will get what is rightfully due to us...we may not like it but believe me we are gonna get it...and for some of us its gonna hurt big time, but its gonna come and evenually it will pass, just not soon enough and our Pride will take a huge hit....but so be it I think the whole thing once it passes 3-5 yrs will make everyone so much stronger in the long run.

    This post was edited by myodes3865111082 on 1/23/2012 at 1:49 PM

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  • psubills62 said...

    The moral arguments many people use to tear Joe apart are untenable.

    I can defend mine just fine, thank you.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • sneakypete said...

    I can defend mine just fine, thank you.

    Never said you couldn't. As you know, I generally agree that Joe should have done more.

    My issue is with people who use the idea that he "should have done more" to conclude certain things about Joe (e.g. he's a monster). It's simply one of the shakiest premises I've ever seen.

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    psubills62

  • psubills62 said...

    Never said you couldn't. As you know, I generally agree that Joe should have done more.

    My issue is with people who use the idea that he "should have done more" to conclude certain things about Joe (e.g. he's a monster). It's simply one of the shakiest premises I've ever seen.

    He's not a monster in any way, shape or form.

    Try to fathom the hypocrisy of a Government that requires every citizen to prove they are insured .but not prove they're a citizen

    sneakypete

  • Along the same lines as you Phila

    Was at lowes earlier tonight looking at baseboard heaters, wearing a linebacker U hoodie. Old dude comes up to me and asks if i'm looking for a secondary heat source for my house. I just said i'm going to replace my baseboard heaters. He then says, well if you want to stay warm, i'd start by getting yourself a new sweatshirt.

    I looked at him, didn't say a single word, and turned my back to him.

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    "People ask me why I stayed here so long, Look around, Look around, I stay here because I love you all" R.I.P. Joe - 12/21/1926-01/22/2012

    arch1102

  • arch1102 said...

    Along the same lines as you Phila

    Was at lowes earlier tonight looking at baseboard heaters, wearing a linebacker U hoodie. Old dude comes up to me and asks if i'm looking for a secondary heat source for my house. I just said i'm going to replace my baseboard heaters. He then says, well if you want to stay warm, i'd start by getting yourself a new sweatshirt.

    I looked at him, didn't say a single word, and turned my back to him.

    Was it an old or beat up sweatshirt? Maybe it was the conditions of the hoodie and not what it said?

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    “We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill

    psujmc1992

  • Joe said that in hindsight i wish i had done more, or something very close to that. To me that means if he knew that nothing was done to stop sandusky he would have done more. I am sure you can take what he said and spin it a couple of different ways but thats what it means to me.

    NittanyNick

  • psujmc1992 said...

    Was it an old or beat up sweatshirt? Maybe it was the conditions of the hoodie and not what it said?

    Nope, fairly new.

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    "People ask me why I stayed here so long, Look around, Look around, I stay here because I love you all" R.I.P. Joe - 12/21/1926-01/22/2012

    arch1102