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So what are the chances we see him back this year? Personally I hoping for the RS but I have no idea how bad his knee is. Is there a timeframe for his return?
possible candidate for medical redshirt?
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He would definitely qualify for a redshirt if he doesnt play anymore this year. Sounds like he'll be out for awhile. Provided the depth at LB doesnt take any more hits, I think a redshirt would be a wise move.
That would be nice ideally, with him Franklin and Wooten all having 4 yrs of eligibility left
His knee injury would have to be diagnosed as a season ending knee injury for him to qualify for a medical redshirt. He just can't simply say " I missed too many games this season so I might as well redshirt".
Really? I didn't know that. So if his knee heals say by the 10th game, he wouldn't eligible for a redshirt? Who would make the determination, Seabass?
Thanks for the information. I was hoping for a redshirt as well.
Nyeem has a great future at PSU. If there is any way he can take a medical redshirt they have to try for it. We could really use him for another 4 years.
Wartman is as athletically gifted a LB as I have seen as a true freshmen in some time. He was physically ready to play the moment he stepped foot on campus, and that showed. I don't know the exact red-shirt terms, nor the severity of his injury, but like most, I too hope for a Redshirt if at all still possible. Either way, he, Hull, and Kline look to have a bright future for us.
This post was edited by PSUHomer 19 months ago
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Actually he can.
The NCAA doesn't get into diagnoses. If a player is injured ( no matter what injury) and in the opinion of the team physician shouldn't participate then he has met the "injury" criterion for a "medical red shirt" ...assuming he has met the playing time requirements he can use the year as one of his 5 to compete 4 in.
Simply put if a kid doesn't play he is automatically on a "red shirt" for ANY reason.
The medical deal is only for guys who have played in no more than the first 5 games and less than 20% ( I think, could be 30%) of the plays of any game. It is just an exception to the regular red shirt rule to protect injured kids who lose a year of competition at the beginning of a season.
If a kid has already taken a red shirt and gets injured it is tough beans for him...he can petition the NCAA for another year but that isn't a guarantee. You only get one of any kind ( without an NCAA exception).
This post was edited by FLY 19 months ago
Great info. Thanks FLY. So it seems logical to me, that given this info, Wartman redshirts.
I don't know this stuff as well as some here, but I'm fairly certain that once you take snap in any game, you are no longer eligible for a red-shirt (I read the regulation on this once). I thought Wartman played in one or two early games (certainly against Ohio). This would make him ineligible for the redshirt this year.
I also thought that for a medical redshirt, you had to have already taken your first redshirt which is not the case here.
I think Wartman is unfortunately out of luck with regard to redshirts unless I have some facts wrong.
I would listen to FLY.
Thanks that is what I thought!
I think FLY is correct. I've seen situations with players on other teams who play a few snaps one year, get injured, but since they didn't play a lot, they can get a redshirt. Or even qualify for a 6th year.
But, the key phrase is "shouldn't participate". Yes, I would think he could get a medical redshirt if the team doctor says the injury is bad enough that he shouldn't play. What I am saying is he can't redshirt if the staff simply says "well, Wartman's knee is all healed up but he's missed X amount of games so far so we might as well just redshirt him".
I did some research and think I'm incorrect on this statement. It seems a player can apply for a medical redshirt regardless of whether that player has previously redshirted, so Wartman would be eligible if this is indeed the case.
I don't believe there is any kind of oversight on this. If the staff deems the injury as bad enough to keep him out, I don't think anyone comes to practice to verify, like worker's comp or something. OB just needs to avoid saying publicly that Wartman is fine but they decided to go ahead and redshirt him anyway. Teams do this all the time.
There is confusion with the term "medical redshirt," because there technically isn't one. There are two separate instances where people refer to them as "medical redshirts." The first situation is Wartman's. Wartman would just take a regular redshirt season, he would just be eligible as his injury occurred in the first few games of the season and he has NOT already taken a redshirt (for instance, someone who already redshirted, say Alex Kenney, cannot take advantage of this rule, they would just lose the season).
There's also the medical hardship waiver, or the "6th season" which is much more rare. That would be if a player loses two separate seasons to the same injury, they could put in for that. The rules are very detailed, but that is the general premise.
If a player participants in less than a set number of games (not sure of the #) and then is not able to play the rest of the season due to injury the school can make request for a medical waiver. The school files the paper work with medical doctumentation after the season. The NCAA will then decide if the "waiver" is approved. If approved the season counts like a red shirt. It has nothing to due with the 6th year waiver.
My son (different school/different sport) received a medical waiver. I think it took the NCAA approx. 2 months to approve.
We'll probably learn that hardship waivers are not allowed at Penn State as part of the sanctions.
kijana: Fly is quite correct, and since Wartman has been injured and missed playing time--and is under the maximum playing time for an injury redshirt--he can be kept off the field and get the redshirt. Heck, it's not unusual for a program to decide a player should get an injury redshirt, so they make up a medical situation and keep that year of eligibility for the player. This is a genuine injury, and even if he heals and can play later in the season, he doesn't risk losing the redshirt unless he sees the field again this season.
This post was edited by DavidM 19 months ago
When did one of Mauti's injuries occur? The last one was within the first couple games and he got redshirted, in his case he got the 6th year because both missed years were because of blown knees but if Wartman is injured I think he can just take an extra long rehab for some of that "lingering pain" and make sure it is "100%"
I wonder if Massaro will qualify for a 6th year Medical Hardship redshirt. And if I'm not mistaken the reason that Pat Devlin transferred is b/c MRob was granted a 6th year of eligibility, or at least a 5th year under the same rule.
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
Was Mauti granted a 6th year?
Gilliam seems like he would be a candidate
This post was edited by FarmDog12 19 months ago
From what I can remember Gilliam is pretty much a lock for a 6th year if he decides he wants it.
Speaking of Nyeem, just heard he is at the Valley View - Scranton game tonight. Sounds more and more like he might be done for the season.
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