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Let me first start by saying not trying to start a brown bashing ...... or any trans player for that matter but i have sat back and read many board post about him leaving and listen to like many of you have everyone saying how big it was that he left (thanks espn) but decided to look up stats as of now and noticed a- rob is ranked higher on every i mean Every stat between the two..... ... has to say something about the amount of hidden talent we have on the team that's been just sitting on a shelf waiting: to be dusted off and tried out also has to credit coach paterno and his ability to find them and i hope this.. wait i believe this staff will have the same success also nice to see us shut espn up about talent leaving and what we have left on the team...... what's your guys thoughts please no bashing of the trans players
This post was edited by psusuperman 21 months ago
I agree with much of what you say. But, JBrown or ARob would have seen as much action in BO'B's new system. JBrown wanted to escape the fallout of the sanctions with a chance to win a MNC or at least compete for one. That's where he made his biggest mistake!
Notice that in Week 5 a walk-on TE Lehman led the team in catches? That's because the opposing D was focusing on the ARob threat. Which could have easily been the JBrown or SKersey threat had they stayed! Ha!
Jokes on you guys that fled PSU for "greener"? pastures. McMoxie has as many TDs as Silas Redd has. ARob is our best reciever (sorry Justin). And when McMoxie ain't throwin' to ARob, he's got a boatload of TEs and WR alternatives to throw too.
Not "bashing" (teehee), but our Deserters, should be double-thinking their "rash" decisions. Especially USC and OK. Fera had a real excuse and I wish him and his family nothing but good wishes. And for the Fera bashers out there, consider he is injured and hasn't kicke for TX yet. Had he stayed, assuming same injury, we would still be dealing with Ficken's slow maturation process.
Anyway, I love it that MM has as many rushing TDs as Redd has!!!!
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
Very difficult to compare them this year in different offenses. Brown's stats may be worse, but that doesn't make Robinson more or less talented. At this point, I hope Justin has success, but I mostly just care about how our guys are doing. Would love to have him and Robinson though, we could really use another dependable option at receiver.
Brown's decision to leave was, by a wide margin, the worst of the decisions by players who transferred. He easily would have been a 700 yard receiver in this offense, and merely by staying and teaming with Robinson, they would have been extremely complimentary to each other. Each would have opened things up for the other.
Instead, he left to be a 3rd/4th receiver on a mediocre football team. It has not, and certainly will not, help him in any tangible way. I would argue it has even undermined his draft stock.
He and Fortt both made terrible decisions. Not surprisingly, they were both close to Redd. That whole crew just wanted out, IMO. Let them enjoy the rewards (or lack thereof) of their choices.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
If Brown doesn't transfer, PSU would have one of the best offenses in the country. Brown/Robinson on the outside, with our TE's?
pick your poison. Who do you cover? Who do you bracket?
Justin Brown -OK - 12 Rec; 135 yds; 0 TDs
Allen Robinson -PSU - 35 Rec; 439 yds; 5 TDs.
I agree PSU is probably better with both threats at wide-out. But clearly, Justin blew it by leaving BoB's pass-friendly system for "personal" gain.
Like Silas said: "...it was a Business decision" (he also said "...we're just prepairing for Ohio on Saturday" - haha).
At the end of the day, both athletes looked for greener grass on the-other-side-of-the-fence, whilst ignoring just how good they may have had it here at PSU.
Agree with you, even though Allen Robinison is helping us forget about Justin brown, just imagine Justin and Allen together or Silas, Belton, Zordich and ZZ.
Losing those guys hurt the team no matter which way we cut it, at this point though I love watching this new offense and can't help but to wonder if the guys that left regret it.
No doubt it hurt losing those guys. I can't argue with you there. Fact is I THINK had all those guys stayed, not only would we be better as a Team, they would be much better performers individualy here instead of where they landed had they stuck with BO'Bs system and schemes!
I agree with this completely. They completely underestimated what playing in this system could have done for their futures. Neither of them are getting a MNC, without that a bowl game is just another game. Brown would have been a really nice piece in this "O". Brown is > than any other WR on our roster not named A.Robinson.
You have absolutely no idea what they estimated playing in this system could have done for them. They thought long and hard and made decisions. Maybe they regret them, maybe they do not. None of us knows. I wish they stayed, but they did not. Time to let them go and not worry about them, I hope they're all happy with their decisions and it isn't for any of us to say whether they are or are not.
That's taking the proverbial "high road", but since it only serves your opinion, it kinda takes the proverbial "high" away from the actual "road" in this particular instance!
I stick with real stats to bolster my opinion:
Justin Brown -OK - 12 Rec; 135 yds; 0 TDs
Allen Robinson -PSU - 35 Rec; 439 yds; 5 TDs.
love these stats
You're bolstering an opinion that a guy "regrets leaving," without knowing anything about the guy. That's irrational.
I wouldn't read too much into the early season results so far. I think OB has done a great job so far in evaluating the skills available to him on the team and putting players in a position to succeed. ARob's early success may have more to do with the match ups in the first 5 games than some hidden abilities. I like how he has performed thus far, but how he performs over the course of the entire season and in key situations will tell us more than early season stats. All that said, I hope he IS the next great receiver at PSU.
I always go back to the same place with A Rob - his high school basketball highlight tape. Knew that kid was gonna be special. Had no idea he'd light it up like this and become such a threat in his sophomore year. If Brown were around, he'd be less featured.... I think Brown and Kersey did us a favor. Both had a history of drops.... and with 1 WR standing out so much, that may help recruit one of the bigger fish to come in while Robinson is a Junior.... Big #'s, Big stats, high round picks.... when you have a D Will, Butler, Norwood scenario, everyone goes Rd3 and later.... if you put up crazy numbers, your chances rise. Many thanks to our WR transfers if this all works out in the end!!!
Enjoy the green grass.
You're right about the comparison being hard to make. However, here is one thing that sticks out glaringly to me...hands. ARob catches everything thrown his way. Brown was very pedestrian when it came to pulling in passes. I remember screaming at him a couple times each game last year. I think that behavior has continued at Okie.
Agree, he does catch everything thrown his way with his hands. Would like to see how he progresses with his footwork along the sidelines and in the redzone. Also, can he catch everything thrown his way in a large window such as some of the elite WR's can? Time will tell. He is only a So, so he still has room to improve hopefully. He definitely seems to be a good route runner so far.
I appreciate you taking the high road and hope that one day I'm in a good enough place to do the same. However, for sure Silas did not think "long and hard" about his decision. He was on the first bus out of State College and the first plane... Err... Private jet to LA. He didn't give it any thought other than palm trees, a me-first attitude, and an unrealistic expectation of waltzing into a national championship.
Silas put no thought into his decision. Justin Brown was a fickle follower who left because Silas did first, and Fortt is a lazy player who feels entitled to more than he worked for.
I wish that I could take the high road but can't after the manner in which Brown jumped ship because of Silas; and I take the utter bullshit statements put out by Fortt and Silas especially as a slap in the face. As a result, I take joy in all of their failures.
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To be fair, he left for a pretty good football team who had a shot at a national title. He didn't leave us for Utah or Boston College.
Pro scouts don't give a damn whether he played for Delaware County Community College or LSU. All they care about is whether the kid can play and stay out of jail.
As for Fortt, at least he's getting a world class degree. I like to think a PSU degree is pretty darn good, but a degree that is more impressive IMO is one from Cal-Berkeley.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Silas hurt. Fera hurt(although I completely understand his decision). The rest I could honestly care less about. With Silas and Fera, we would undefeated.
"A bowl game ain't nothing but a vacation." - Gerald Hodges
Look at Kevin Hapela, he went to babe central at fsu, doubt he is that upset about transferring.
“If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.” ― Haruki Murakami
And he had a TD reception this past Saturday too.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
Haplea's transfer would have made sense even if there were no sanctions and he had to sit out a year. This offense has 73 tight ends that are flourishing currently. They're all giants, Haplea's not. I'm no expert, but it looks like he went from #1 to about #5 the second BO'B got hired. Not his fault really at all and probably the only "casualty" of the coaching change I can think of.... Haplea (and to some degree Fera) = no hard feelings. The rest.... I'm not horribly "rooting against them" or wishing true ill will. But if some girl breaks up with you and you see her a year later all fat, nasty, and with some trashy d-bag that you know her mom hates too.... you can't help but smile.
Haplea was already out the door though.
I don't think guys like Bolden or Haplea regret anything since they were trying to transfer out anyway.
It's the upperclassmen that left solely as a result of sanctions that look foolish. (Not including Fera or Buckley).
Bingo, people are over-romanticizing Justin Brown. The guy was (is) not fast, not quick, and is a drops machine.
By him getting PT, I always assumed our other WRs were just BAD.
Good luck to him at OU (or wherever he went) though.
I remember a couple weeks ago after ARob had a big game, JBrown said something like "This ARob guy is tearing it up," (sounded like he didnt even know ARob), someone then tweeted JBrown and said something like "The grass isnt always greener on the other side" to which JBrown replied "It is green enough."
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
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