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Makes no difference. Dumb is dumb, a felony is a felony. If it was $5, it would be even more concerning in my mind. That risk/reward is just DUMB. It's dumb no matter what, but that is on the level of a standup joke.
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1.) it's probably smaller bills because that's the trend these days, and they are not checked as often as the bigger bills are at most stores. It adds up, regardless of the denominations. If he wasn't caught, he'd have kept doing it.
2.a-- I can honestly say tht I never have stolen money or been dishonest with it. My dad owned a business, and preached that big time growing up. Doesn't mean I didn't make the same mistakes as everyone else though, wanted to make it clear that I'm not saying I'm holier than zayd, but that specific issue was not one of mine.
2b. Stealing five bucks or money from your dads change jar/wallet growing up once or twice is expected. Forgery and counterfeiting is absolutely criminal. That's why his offenses are felonies and not "now that you got caught, don't do this again"
I really don't think O'Brien will let this go.... Granted it was different, but I think he set a precedent letting Smith, Thomas, and Drake walk last year , he doesn't have a high tolerance for nonsense
Same brother. Kid can pay for the consequences of his action and become a man the right way.
--He's a first time offender, which makes him eligible for ARD program
--Drew scales was not involved, devacio McGowan and Brandon Wallace were.
--they passed multiple $20 bills on four known instances as of now, still investigating.
--if their work is extensive, secret service could pick up the case (every counterfeiting report I've ever taken automatically got forwarded to them per policy) if that agency forwards info to them.
---if secret service gets involved, he could be charged federally, which is a 1 year to 15 year prison sentence.
Hope this spells it out for those that are minimizing his actions. He's in some serious trouble if the case is picked up federally. From my experience, every case of mine that was picked up by the secret service resulted in a 15 year conviction. That's not a reflection on my work, that's a reflection on how serious the offense is to them and federal prosecutors.
Disclaimer: all the info I posted is of public record.
That would be something.... damn. Regardless of how much jail time he would get, the fact is that it was a felony, it was done multiple times and he knew exactly what he was doing. Goodbye.
i'm sorry but Zayd Issah is not doing 1 year in jail, let alone 15 lol
I'm sorry, but that's not what he was trying to say.
Although the more I think of it the more I think this is the kind of kid who may need to be made an example of for recruits moving forward. We'll see how it progresses.
This post was edited by MTayl72 13 months ago
It is sad when some of these kids that have life by the balls do something so stupid. If he really did this, he must lose his scholarship as he must be held accountable for his actions. This is just a sad situation.
I get what he was trying to say and I don't agree with it, at all. I'd be surprised if he had anything more than probation for a few years. If he wasn't cooperating with the cops, yeah I could see some jail time, but the cops aren't concerned about 17 year olds using 20's at Mcdonalds....they're concerned about the guys pulling the strings and making the bills. Some people are "trying to minimize his actions" and the poster I responded to was, in all likliehood, comparing his actions to much more severe ones....or "maximize his actions" so to speak. There's a middle ground, and that's where Zayd will end up.
NLG thinks pretty much the same. He's just stating what he was charged with can lead to that. So idk if you do get what he's saying because I think you guys are close on the end game. They'll throw he book at him now to get him to flip.
But if he did do some jail time no one can say he didn't earn it. He literally did everything stupid you can do outside of making the counterfeit cash. If it looks like it does now in a few months, I hope they throw the boom at him in punishment too.
And he will be on campus this summer playing football here
Sounds like a culture problem.
If he did what it seems I sure as hell hope not. This is Penn State and we are better than that. No matter what outsiders think because of Sandusky. We need to keep being the school that we all grew up respecting, admiring and loving.
He allegedly admitted to a felony on facebook. Not to mention he also had another incident (which I wouldn't really care about in a vacuum, but we're not in a vacuum), although I don't think it even matters. If he actually was part of a counterfeiting scheme, I hope he's not on the team. I'll pass on admitted felons while already under a microscope (or ever pretty much).
This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by shavisimo2 13 months ago
That gave second chances to guys like Bobby Engram, Navorro Bowman and many others.
We're not a freaking church choir.
Some people need to chill with this "we're better than everybody else" stuff. Yes, we are unique in that we actually are strict with regards to grades, class attendance, and are one of maybe 3 schools in the entire country that actually adhere to the core principles of the NCAA (ironic).
But when it comes to matters like this, we are no different than many schools who handle this on a case-by-case basis. We don't sweep this crap under the rug. But if O'Brien has him on the team next year it is for damn good reason and not because we're suddenly "not Penn State and just like everybody else."
And don't bring up guys like Drake, Oakman, or MooMoo to cite some sort of zero tolerance policy under OB. MooMoo literally got caught with drugs like 7 times. Drake also had prescription drug issues and O'Brien sat down with Oakman in his office and told him that ANY further trouble would result in his ass going back to Philly.
Who knows what discussions he has had with Zayd. I don't, and neither do you. But enough with the stuff some of you are spewing.
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Not saying I necessarily think he should still be allowed on the team, but I just believe that he will be.
I'm not sure you appreciate how serious counterfeiting money is (after already getting in a fight). I'm also not sure you appreciate the microscope the university is under.
Hell no, we're not a church choir. Yes, we have a track record that is pretty spotty.
This situation is different from fighting. Different from smoking pot. Different from grabbing someone at the Mix. It's a felony. Obviously we should wait for facts. But you're right, it's different from fighting/pills/pot, it's a much more serious crime.
Bobby Engram and Rickey Sayles were arrested for stealing stereo equipment. Theft is a little more serious than fighting/pills/pot and since it was Bobby's first strike he sat out the '92 season. It was not Rickey's first strike so he was kicked off the team.
It will be interesting to see how BOB handles this situation.
This post was edited by EWPSU94 13 months ago
When you're talking in the context of a high school kid, it's totally different.
Law enforcement is not going to treat Zayd as if he was Tony Montana working with millions of illegal, unaccounted for dollars. And neither should anyone else. For a barely 18 year old kid, it is a much more troubling sign of their character to be a lowlife who puts their hands on a woman, deals and takes prescription drugs, breaks into homes, or sexually assaults women than running around with counterfeit 20s.
Save the whole "federal offense" spiel as if Zayd was devaluing the dollar against the yen.
Yes, it's serious, criminal, and should be dealt with. However, common sense should and also will be injected as he will not be treated and tried as some hard ass felon since he isn't one.
I have a much easier time understanding a high school kid thinking of this as a way to get extra money while knowing it's wrong but not understanding its severity; as opposed to some dumbass punk smoking weed literally every day and popping and selling pills when he doesn't even need money but rather was trying to uphold some sort of thug life image to impress a bunch of other low-lifes.
Ok. Theft of stereo equipment (probably just a misdemeanor BTW) is more serious than those. It's also, again, not a felony most likely. Further it's a first strike. Zayd has already been in a fight. Sayles was never mentioned.
Further, people seem to forget that things are much different post-Sandusky. Sorry, but PSU shouldn't deal with an admitted felon who already has a track record of fighting.
And save me the "I'm being holier than thou." If the kid got in a fight, give him a second chance please. Caught smoking pot, give him a second chance. Caught fighting (not terrible, it happens with kids) and then caught counterfeiting cash (ridiculous, stupid and more severe) - blown second chance.
We want to recruit guys who have been in a fight before.
Have you not been paying attention?
Counterfeiting is a no-joke crime. Feds greatly lack a sense of humor. Wouldn't be shocked if this doesn't get swept under any rug. If it does?.... he gave up people to make it happen.
Bottom line. Not worth the opportunity. Too few scholarships.... and this guy was MAKING HIS OWN SCHOLARSHIP.
Print your own money and pay your own way into school.... seemed like a fine idea til he got caught.
Slim tolerance for people like that. Imagine he got on campus and tried to vampire a few teammates into getting in on the action. No respect, no understanding of delayed gratification, etc. Mauti, Zordich, Zayd?..... complete opposites. I was more proud to be a Penn State fan this last year than any before because of the character involved with the team.
This chump?.... pound salt, make a license plate. Good luck.
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