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Biggest question mark is unsurprisingly QB. Stated McGroin will not last the whole season. Pretty fair assessment of the present state of the team. Just surprised we did not crack the top 50.
This post was edited by bayouPSU 2 years ago
Yeah, I'd agree with pretty much all of that.
Ohio, UVA, PSU...battle of 50 something's
I believe this Penn State team is very underrated. The secondary issues will keep the '12 team from being elite but I expect PSU to surprise a lot of people this fall.
If we can start the season 4-0 heading into B1G play, we may be on our way to a solid season. Ohio to start the year isn't going to be a "walk in the park". I think UVA will be extremely tough too, especially if they get Phil Sims eligible.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
I get where they're coming from but I don't think we'll struggle to win more than seven games. I honestly think there's a decent chance of a 6 maybe 7-0 start but hey that's just me..
JMO, it is where it should be - not underrated. PSU is an unknown this year. Offensively, you only have one difference maker on offense. Under center, you have MAJOR question mark and you have a pedestrian like receiver collection. You do have potential on the OL, but a few new faces will be starting as well.
Defensively, you have a major issue in the secondary and to be honest, you have a totally different defensive scheme. People could project what a Tom Bradley like defense could do. Their last sight of a Ted Roof defense wasn't pretty. That said, it could be very good. Who knows?
I know there are people who think we should waltz through the first five or six games. That more than likely won't be the case. Some of those opening games will pose problems for PSU.
This post was edited by Hamilton Lion 2 years ago
I'm with you.
I'm willing to bet that if a bunch of media vans weren't in State College in November and a few 17 year olds didn't go elsewhere, these guys would have us rated a lot higher.
Not saying we're a great team. But there's definitely not over 50 schools with a better roster than this one. Probably not even 25.
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Idk if they are 50th, but I don't see playmakers coupled with experience up and down this depth chart. I've harped it all spring, but we could be a better team and program by the end of the year (than last year) and be 7-5 (which is about what I expect). This isn't just something that you snap your fingers and boom its better likke so many are expecting.
Saw it, laughed at it, walked away.
Unlikely that we win more than 7 games ? We won 9 last year with a harder schedule. We lost one valuable player. One.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
I think I'm going with the addition by subtraction rule here. I don't think the secondary is better but I just don't see a lot of gunslingers in the conference. I think the front seven will be better because we had no edge rush. Although DStill will be a big loss. I think the offence has to be better. How could it not be. The line is young but I happen to be optimistic. The biggest is under center, who knows. I think 9 is my number.
While the line is more talented and better coached now, do not sleep on the fact that 4 are new and 3 have what amounts to zero experience in games. That will be a rough growth, and is something other teams will target.
Not to mention the shift in schemes will cost us at least one game, almost all teams under new coaches experience this in the first year.
Not on defense, but for damn sure on offense.
Everyone likes to mention how it "takes a while," for a new offensive system to get everyone on the same page. That doesn't matter here. The fact is that the previous offense was NEVER on the same page, whether it was spring practice, week 1, or New Year's day.
Any cohesion and coordination on the offensive side of the ball will be an improvement.
I agree with you on the defensive side. But I still just don't see us losing 5 games this year. Can it happen? Sure, it would not be unfathomable for UVA to beat us or for Navy to pull an upset. But it is not likely and we are still better than them, along with Illinois, Purdue, Iowa, Temple, Indiana, NW, and the all-hype Ohio State team.
Was last year's schedule really harder?
Sure, you had Alabama. However, our non conference schedule as a whole is stronger this year. You have NO EMu's, NO Indiana State's. OSU will more than likely be better.
While you lost one valuable player, you have a totally different outlook - new staff both offensively and defensively (absent two). That is a huge difference right there.
This is a team that will improve, but we might not see it in the win column.
Right now I look at UVA, Iowa, Wisco, OSU, and Nebraska as very good chances to be L's. Ohio worries me. Navy, eh not so much and I see a good growth game for our line. If we lose at Illinois, we're in for a BAD season, as even their fans don't expect much this year.
Not to mention we still have one BIG question mark that no one has mentioned: Head Coach. Still a rookie.
Now that said, I can see 9 wins, sure. I'm generally a bet low guy anyways on this stuff. Its going to be a lot of work.
The offensive line is getting two very big boosts: new strength training and improved offensive line coaching. Stank and Urschel are plenty experienced and Smith and Dieff are very, very talented young men, even with almost no experience. It's also worth mentioning that Smith nearly played last year, so I am skeptical that he is any worse than Barham or Okoli.
Let's face it. Our OL was mediocre last year. If they can be mediocre this year, then what has changed to get us to seven wins?
We can't be evaluated in a vacuum. Our schedule gets easier, as our OOC is less intimidating (we did play the national champion last year, after all) and nearly every Big Ten team will be worse off. OSU lost everyone on offense outside of Miller, Wiscy lost their absurdly talented QB and some very good players (Toon, Konz, Zietler), and Nebraska lost a bunch of defensive stars.
If we beat UVA in week two, we are a nine win team. We lose, seven becomes a real possibility.
Experience and communication on the offensive line is underrated by so many people replacing 4 guys with 3 that have virtually zero experience is so so so so tough to do it isn't funny. This line will be better by the end of the year, however, it has some serious rooks, especially at OT that could be a sort of liability early on.
I agree. Even in the pro's a new line needs time to gel.
MTayl,I don't undervalue that, but at the same time, the change to one OL coach has already been noted as helping the new group come together. So there is some trade off in that regard. There is obviously improvement in the realm of strength training and positional coaching. So while chemistry may be less of a strength, we have other areas that will compensate.
And Hamilton: We may see an increase in strength of schedule with the lesser team. Ohio is better than ISU. Navy is better than Eastern Michigan. Indiana and Purdue may be better. But I don't see any of those as losses regardless. The higher end games, the ones that we legitimately might lose, are certainly going to be less daunting. We had no chance against Bama and Wiscy. There isn't one team on our schedule this year that is simply that much better than we are. Nebraska, Wiscy, and OSU are all going to be worse than they were last year. There is obviously no doubt that UVA is nothing compared to Bama.
But it isn't flat. And what I mean by that is that it's nice with practice but game experiece is so important up front. You don't get used to he same moves in games like you do in practice, different speed, not scout teams, etc. It REALLY plays on the line in that situation. This line will be better, but not right away. It will take time.
1. Drake moving to CB mentioned. Needs an update there
2. They are predicting a 10-win season (or better) for Ohio U., yet they only hit #55? They'll be ranked in the Top 40 if they pull that off and win the MAC as expected.
This post was edited by PSU42Fan 2 years ago
F the NCAA
F the BOT
I tend to think the change in strength training is going to provide very serious improvement along the line. There may be plays where miscommunication costs us, but there will also be plays where Stank is able to move his man when he couldn't before.
It isn't possible to quantify the trade off between improved strength training and decreased experience. I think you're going to see occasions where each change is prominent, for better and worse respectively.
It also helps that we don't face a serious defensive front seven until Illinois in week five. Should be a good gauge for how the OL will do the rest of the season. They've got some excellent front seven players there.
If we lose and/or struggle gainst Illinois be prepared for a long season afterwards. That is all I will say. They look awful this year. Even the Champaign news (which is practically what I have anyways) is in for a long year. The have one pretty good player up front, but their overall front seven..it isn't full of the talent that they've had dotting their teams in the years past.
Buchanan and Brown are excellent players in their front seven. They aren't OSU, but Zook has left Beckman with some athletes. It'll be a good test for the OL.
Funny thing is, i see navy as being more of a threat with this coaching staff than the last.. Bradley's defense was built to defend this navy triple option.. But this overly aggressive defense roof is scheming up could lead to a lot of guys over perusing and big plays.. Hope the secondary is ready to be physical for that matchup... The first four games is going to be a roller coaster of a ride.. We could finish 4-0 but we could just as easily finish 1-3....
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