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High school to college or college to the NFL? It's pretty amazing that Luck and Wilson have already lead their previously bad teams to the playoffs and RG3 may be next.
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It probably depends on what type of offense you played in in college. I think Luck really benefited from playing in an NFL style offense at Stanford. Wilson showed he is pretty smart by picking up a whole new system in his one year at Wisconsin.
Interesting quote by Steve Young: "In college, everyone is open; in the pros, no one is open."
All three of those guys are a threat to run, so they are able to buy time with their feet or even get yards when a play breaks down.. Very nice luxury to have when you're a rookie..
I think going from college to NFL is the hardest, IMHO.
College = Playing against boys
NFL = Playing against men
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I agree completely.
The training of a QB in a system that uses a Pro offensive scheme is critical to the development of a Pro QB.
If you look at the QB's that have come from college "gimmick" offenses ( those that lack run pass balance and don't face aggressive sound defenses , the big 12 for example) have tremendous learning curves to master before they can be successful in the PRO's.
The level of competition is also critical in their development...The "speed" of the game goes up exponentially as you go up levels simply because the athletic talent and speed around you goes up so drastically.
Interesting observation an old coaching buddy said yesterday while watching the Steelers Bungles game...In high school a blown coverage is when your guy is 20 or 30 yards from the nearest defender, in college that distance is reduced to about 15 yards, in the pro's it is more like 5 yards and closing fast. Every catch is contested.
Yeah, because RG3 and Sam Bradford have had/had such a tough time transitioning to the NFL.
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To be fair, the list of gimmicky QBs that didn't make it is a lot longer than your two, so...
F the NCAA
F the BOT
True, but the last three QBs from the "gimmicky" Big 12 conference produced two ROTYs and one flop in Weeden.
College to NFL. Some NFL players have 10+ years of experience on defense and just know what to look for to pick on a rookie QB and make them look silly.
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Assuming you're talking about playing in a legitimate conference, then the jump from high school to college, easily.
You go from throwing against 5'7 DBs who run a 4.8 to playing against secondaries whose slowest DB is faster than any DB you've encountered up to that point in your life.
As a D1 HS QB prospect, chances are you were as big as most linebackers you played against. In college, the LBs are twice your size now, and hit harder than you've ever been hit before.
The jump to the NFL is big. But from a physical standpoint, it is much more difficult from HS to college IMO.
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Not to take anything away from RG3 (he has played great), but the offense that he is in, is very easy on a QB. For example, he threw 6 consecutive passes behind the line of scrimmage against the Saints this year. About 1/2 of his passing TD's have come from the WR's catching a short pass and having a good run after the catch.
If I had to say, I think that going from high school to college is a lot tougher on a QB. For most it is the first time that they have had to learn a large playbook, play against opponents that run in the 4.4 to 4.5 forty range, and face 300+ pound linemen. That isn't even including being away from their parents for the first time in their lives or having to deal with academics. So, overall I think that the leap from high school to college is a little tougher overall on a QB. Not too many times do you see a true freshman lead his team immediately, but it seems like the NFL is starting to rely on younger QB's to turn their teams around.
its rare qbs have been this succesful in the first year in the nfl, i think jump from college to nfl, tons of qbs get drafted in different rounds, all having decent to great college careers, (no matter real offense or so called "gimmicky") but only a few actually last as starters in this league
The point I was trying to make is that it's not the conference that makes any difference as to how the player does in the NFL, or the type of offense they run in college. It's absurd to think that a QB who played in a spread offense before is somehow less capable of learning a pro playbook, or that the team they play on makes any difference at all.
Coaching helps a lot, but it is also on the players themselves to learn. Sam Bradford had Kevin Wilson, RG3 had Art Briles, Peyton and Eli Manning had David Cutcliffe, and Luck had Jim Harbaugh, etc., etc.. Great QB coaches produce great QBs, not schools or types of offenses.
If it's so easy, why doesn't every team run it? It's not like his offense is stacked with all-pro's and he's asked to "not lose" the game.
Without a doubt the jump from college to professional is more difficult. The difference in the speed of the game is incredible.
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I agree with the general premise that running a pro style offense is good prep for the NFL, but Luck ran a west coast offense at Stanford, and he's running a totally different offense at Indy that is more focused on vertical passing and presnap adjustments at the LOS. Luck is a stud athlete and super smart kid.
More on the individual and the coaching he has received than the change or consistency in schemes IMO.
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