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First, before I start: I don;t complain about refs. I firmly believe 99% of the time if you let the game stay so close for the refs to have any outcome it is your fault for not doing better. Were they good? No. Were they the reason we lost? No.
Now couple things I had talked to with Buck fans this week:
The game will come down to QBs, the better line will win.
Miller: 7/19, 143, 1 TD, 1 INT, 134 RuYards, 2 Ru TD
McGloin: 27/45, 327 yards, 2 TD, 1 INT, -37 RuYards
'Nuff said there.
Mike Farrell v John Simon: Farrell got bullrushed all night and had a lot of pressure. He wasn't stout in the run game. Simon got him.
Kyle Carter v Zach Boren: Kyle Carter was so under utilized it isn't funny. He was our best matchup and we neglected him quite a bit.
McGloin v McGloin: Old McGloin was up to his bad Sexy Rexy impersonation tonight, hopefully its just a Halloween thing.
Braxton Miller v Hull/Carson: Miller obviously won this. But in that first half we dominated. Like the rest of the D, our boys got tired and Miller is too good of an athlete to be stopped all night.
Adrian Amos v Devin Smith: Amos had a pretty good night, and Smith didn't have a catch. Amos did wonderful.
Jake Stoneburner v Gerald Hodges: Hodges was good, but could not shed a lot of those blocks on the edge. Stoneburner didn't do much receiving-wise until he had Fagnano matched up on him, and that's good for any offensive player.
Our offense let us down big time tonight. They left the D out to dry and when they couldn't get into rhythm ist essentially cost us this game. i don;t put this on the defense as they played lights out every time (minus Fagnano) they had a breather. Now this goes from top to bottom. OL struggled, I saw each RB fail to pick up a block numerous times, Mox completely ignored underneath routes for 80% of the game, and BOB had his worst play calling BY FAR since Ohio. In fact at some points it was near Paterno-like.
Sean Stanley showed why he should be drafted this year.
Mike Hull will be a player for us.
Kyle Carter will be an All-American
BOB still has a ways to go, but he's done fantastic so far and should still be COY.
Love him or hate Urban Meyer is a helluva coach.
If you didn't think OSU's defense was going to show up tonight for this game, you were nuts.
Roby is good, but he got beat a few times that we could not make plays on.
I REALLY REALLY REALLY respect Zach Boren.
Shazier is a fantastic player.
Miller isn't there yet, he needs some polish. He'll be even more dangerous when his head and arm catches up with his feet.
Those were the best two B1G teams tonight.
The only thing you left out is the not-so special teams. I know they had the TD, but man they are awful. Butters Punted OK after the first one, but we were punting from the 50 mostly.
I thought Morris played well. They didn't attack him after his great diving deflection, he wrapped up well, and when you don't hear a CB's number they must be doing something well.
Agree w/ You....The 2nd half it was huge that your offense didn't sustain a drive in the 3rd quarter...Urban said at halftime they were going to speed it up in the 3rd and hopefully tire your D...the key to that is obviously to get your offense off the field...so that was succesful as the 3rd quarter was the difference in the game...
some missed opportunities early hurt you guys, the underthrown/dropped pass on first drive, the two missed pick 6's....then OSU had a missed long pass to wide open receiver as well...
Officiating not good...period...more missed calls went against you I agree...the worst call in the game was the personal foul on your DB for hitting Smith while in air...he couldn't see the ball and was doing what DB's are supposed to do....really bad call...
Great post by the OP.
Also, this is the second week in a row the refs have been absolutely terrible for an OSU game. Last week vs. Purdue the Buckeyes were getting robbed left and right and this week it was just as bad in favor of OSU (although there was holding all over the O line for both teams).
I'm just glad we won.
I don't care what the stats and popular opinion said, McGloin only had one accurate day throwing the ball and that was last week against Iowa. The pick 6 was inevitable and it came at the worst possible time. I told my dad yesterday "we should win on paper, but McGloin will always scare me".
Purdue appears to be a poor team and McGloin always does well against poor teams, so hopefully he'll be back to being "accurate" again next week.
Not a McMoxie homer or blind believer, but its tough to be accurate when you can't step into your throws. You can thank Hankins and Simon for that. Heck, even Bennett was knocking Farrell on his rear, and he's a player they use to give their d-line breathers. Just because he didn't have the best game this week doesn't mean he hasn't improved a helluva lot this year. McGloin last year was 10/18 88 yards and an int. The year before he threw 2 pick sixes in the second half. He's come a long way, and he's not the reason we lost this game.
Belton needs to learn how to return kickoffs. If he cut left on almost any of them, he could have easily picked up 20 yds if not a TD. Yet every single time he just ran straight into the mosh
Plus 1 to Mtaylor, the environment reminded me of 2005 just happy the result was different, hats off to the PSU fans for bringing it, awesome environment, I really believe these are the 2 best teams in the league, and I believe the league hates that! The Big 10 better realize these are the 2 teams that have the coaches that could change the dynamic of slow methodical football, with innovative, fast, and high scoring offenses, whatchout Big 10, things are changing! Good luck the rest of the year Lions, hoping your teams runs the table!
O'Brien's braindead insistence on passing on 2nd downs every single series was a killer.
2nd and 7? Shotgun pass incomplete -> 3rd and long -> pressure -> incomplete -> punt.
Lather, rinse, repeat.
Don't even get me freaking started on shotgun from 2nd and goal at the 3.
O'Brien has been great this year. But his refusal to grind it out on 2nd down tonight was inexcusable.
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Something I was expecting to see tonight with o'briens mentality and aggressiveness was some sort of field reversal on the kickoff.
If you watch our kickoff unit, you see we try to limit the field by crashing the returners side of the field, leaving the opposite returner almost completely uncovered. All someone has to do is realize this and make a lateral/pass to the other returner and it's almost a guaranteed 6. thought for sure you all would try that tonight.
JMO obviously, but I like it when coaches spread it out near the goal line. Much better spacing than when you bring the TEs in tight IMO.
He severely underutilized the TE today, which was my biggest disappointment. That and the fact that McGloin was garbage.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Even without a lateral Belton could've gotten much more yardage cutting left, but instead he just ran straight into the defenders. The one time our other returner even sealed the edge for him.
I feel like we would have to pull a Forrest Gump type deal and have signs telling him "LEFT!!!" for him to realize that running straight at the kickoff team doesn't work in most cases and to run to the open space
If tvose are the two best big 10 teams, are you implying that OSU is *that* much better(let's be honest, the second half was a route)? We barely beat MSU, Indiana, and Purdue.....
This post was edited by TJMMBuckeyes 21 months ago
True. But OSU played like the #5 team in the country in the 3rd QTR. PSU won the other 3 QTRs. What PSU needs to learn from this is to play for 60 min. Also, OSU exploited PSUs weaknesses that were revealed in our 1st two losses: Inability to sustain offensive drives; and inability to stop the opponent on 3rd downs defensively. OSU didn't conver that many 3rd downs on Saturday, but it seemed they converted on every key 3rd down in the 3rd QTR.
Fact is OSUis 9-0 (by the skin of their proverbial teeth) and tOSU could win out! PSU can win any of our 4 final opponents. If those two events happen, then you are indeed looking at the 2 best B1G teams. Imagine a 2 loss Wisky team facing a 2-loss (B1G that is) scUM team for the B1G championship? Meanwhile tOSU is 8-0 and PSU is 7-1 in the B1G and neither can represent their conference? After the OSU beatdown of PSU, this is the best outcome and I am rooting for you guys to clean house!
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
A couple of things:
"Mike Hull will be a player for us." It took this game to realize that? Most of us have been saying that all season. He looks like another Sean Lee type player to me.
A lot of you say BO'B called a terrible game. I don't know if I agree. How many long passes did our receivers and TE's drop? Or MM threw off his backfoot with a lob pass that allowed the defender to race back and knock it away? Also, MM overthrew a wide open Robinson on one. The plays were there, we didn't execute.
There's no doubt that the offensive line has improved dramatically over the past 9 months since Mac and Fitz came on board but tonight showed it is going to take probably another year or two to get the OL to the levels of the Ohio States of the world.
I agree with every thing you stated but I have one thing about the comparison between McGloin and Miller:
Just take a look at those stats, and you will see two completely opposite QB's. Comparing them is wrong. Miller beats you with his running ability. He can not throw the ball very well, yet. Yeah, it hit the TE for a big score, but the coverage on that was horrible. McGloin beats you with his throwing and smarts. Can't run worth a lick. Thus, you can't compare these two with those stats.
Obviously you are going to have to underdtand they are different. In the originl thread I put this in I stated as much. Their offenses ask of them completely different things. However both offenses are solely QB driven. So what you have to do is look at the stat lines knowing what each is to do and evaluate.
95: Yes I know Mike Hull was going to be very player. This is me reiterating it, to emphasize how good of a game he had. Most impressively he consistently does it in a variety of ways on the field, which is the most impressing part.
If you think OB called a good game, I can't help you there.
I thought the playcalling got away from the gameplan for PSU. Early on the quick hitters, and crossing routes to TEs seemed to work. I recall the play where McGloin had a 1 step drop and through it on a quick slant to a WR for 5-7 yards (and the announcer mentioned it being a Tom Brady-esque play). There weren't many other plays like that the rest of the game. That's OSU's weakness, when the LBs are forced to cover passes like that. Boren would've had a tough time on a big athletic TE all day long. In the second half especially, PSU seemed to only run the ball right into the strength of the OSU defense, or they'd throw outside to Roby's side, who played a hell of a game and eliminated big plays.
I think if they kept throwing quick hitters it would've nullified the amount of pressure OSU was giving on McGloin and there would have been long, time-consuming drives. I still think BOB is going to be a great coach, but I think he was getting too caught up guessing what the Buckeyes were going to do (or something, what do I know about coaching, right? :p).
This post was edited by JStan12 21 months ago
Agree with 99 percent of Mtaylrs post except i didnt see any exceptional coaching from Meyer. It came down to he most talented player was 5 star elite prospect Miller who made crucial plays.
BoB also didnt call a great game.
It all starts in the trenches. The 2012 and 2013 classes lack dominating OT and DT. Hopefully, guys like Dowry, Johnson, and Nelson will be productive players, but teams like OSU have been able to recruit big athletic OT and DT.
I thought OSU has really struggled in recruiting OTs?
Totally agree on their DT/DL recruiting though. They were a load last night and took it to our OL.
And if you think he called a terrible game then I can't help you. I don't think his playcalling was great but I don't think it cost us the game either. Lack of execution cost us the game. For example, the fake punt was drawn up perfectly. He threw it to the wrong guy.
We have Michael Hill out of South Carolina who is going to be a stud, Tommy Schutt, Adolphus Washington(first round type talent), and Mike Bennett when needed. Our DT is fine.
Our depth is serviceable on the OL but it's not quite elite level.
Can agree with pretty much all of the OP. Poor coaching, poor preparation, and poor execution.
IMO, our defense would have done significantly better in the 2nd half if our offense could have sustained drives. That was the key against NW and as I said before the OSU game, it was the key against OSU. Keep their offense off the field. We didn't do that.
All that needs to be said about the play calling.
McGloin was garbage, which certainly didn't help, but if BOB calls more of the routes into the flat for some easy completions maybe McGloin gets into a rhythm?
Who knows. Thank goodness we're playing Hope this week, he'll make some boneheaded adjustments this game to give us at least one free TD.
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