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The regression of Rob Bolden

  • I'll probably deal with this in the UFR column, but I can't help but bring it up now. Bolden has not played well and he's been getting worse, but I was still shocked by how he threw the ball today. There are two issues at play. First, his confidence is clearly completely shot. That fact alone makes it imperative that he's benched in favor of McGloin immediately. Second, it is absolutely astonishing to see this young man fall apart like this. I'm not sure if some people have forgotten, but he was a VERY accurate short/intermediate passer last year when he had time to thrown. If the guy was open and he had time it was assumed it would be completed. He had all sorts of normal freshman issues last year, but the natural throwing ability/talent was obvious from the get go (there's a reason he was hyped so much). For him to be throwing the ball this poorly is almost impossible. I don't have a definitive answer as to why he's regressed so far. Confidence is obviously an issue, but it can't be the only reason.

  • Could not agree more with this post. Something just seems off with him out there.

  • gemrich said... (original post)

    I'll probably deal with this in the UFR column, but I can't help but bring it up now. Bolden has not played well and he's been getting worse, but I was still shocked by how he threw the ball today. There are two issues at play. First, his confidence is clearly completely shot. That fact alone makes it imperative that he's benched in favor of McGloin immediately. Second, it is absolutely astonishing to see this young man fall apart like this. I'm not sure if some people have forgotten, but he was a VERY accurate short/intermediate passer last year when he had time to thrown. If the guy was open and he had time it was assumed it would be completed. He had all sorts of normal freshman issues last year, but the natural throwing ability/talent was obvious from the get go (there's a reason he was hyped so much). For him to be throwing the ball this poorly is almost impossible. I don't have a definitive answer as to why he's regressed so far. Confidence is obviously an issue, but it can't be the only reason.

    People can blame Jay on this one all day long, but MM isn't throwing 90mph fastballs on 3 yard patterns. Neither kid looks good but Rob is clearly pressing right now and it shows. Why...I have no idea, but he better not be first off the bus next week.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

  • LaJollaLion said... (original post)

    People can blame Jay on this one all day long, but MM isn't throwing 90mph fastballs on 3 yard patterns. Neither kid looks good but Rob is clearly pressing right now and it shows. Why...I have no idea, but he better not be first off the bus next week.

    I believe he mentally went down hill once he wasn't named the guy after Bama and Temple. My guess is he felt he made some critical plays in those games to get it, and once he didn't...he felt it was a lost cause. (Not saying that is right to think that)

    I do blame Jay though because there are things RB clearly can get better at, but is not, and I blame coaching. How to sell a screen pass for 1. Run it over and over and voer until he gets it. If he can't...THEN DON'T CALL THE PLAY!!!!!!!!

    Oh, and he feels the heat. You know in his mind he feels he has to be perfect to win the job (based on last year and not getting a 2nd chance) Right or wrong, I'm sure that's why he's pressing. He feels every throw could decide it. Joe destroyed this from day 1 by going with him last year, and then changing it.

    This post was edited by md154 3 years ago

  • LaJollaLion said... (original post)

    People can blame Jay on this one all day long, but MM isn't throwing 90mph fastballs on 3 yard patterns. Neither kid looks good but Rob is clearly pressing right now and it shows. Why...I have no idea, but he better not be first off the bus next week.

    Um, it's pretty apparent that the kid is undercoached. Matt makes great throws to his primary when under no pressure.

    I'm not saying RB would be lighting it up elsewhere (he'd be a redshirt frosh holding a clipboard learning from a real staff), but let's not pretend the lack of reps and coaching haven't played a major part.

  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    Um, it's pretty apparent that the kid is undercoached. Matt makes great throws to his primary when under no pressure.

    I'm not saying RB would be lighting it up elsewhere (he'd be a redshirt frosh holding a clipboard learning from a real staff), but let's not pretend the lack of reps and coaching haven't played a major part.

    Newsflash...no matter the level of play...QB's look better with no pressure versus having a hand in their face. That isn't saying Jay is a good QB coach...that is common sense. How is it one QB can't throw a screen to save his life and one QB can....coaching...really? I'm not a huge Jay fan, but at what point do you call a spade a spade? If Rob had MM's presence or MM had Rob's arm...we are on to something. I can't fix it...just voicing my opinion on it. If you just want to blame Jay...feel free. I'm all for a wholesale change on the offensive side of the ball. I just know what I see right now and Rob Bolden has zero touch and next to no accuracy. Disagree with that all you want to I guess, but I've seen quite a few like myself flop the last few weeks. If it's Jay....fine...but both QB's don't react the same way.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion 3 years ago

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

  • I had been a big RB supporter but his performance has been terrrible and unfortunately I agree. His regression is painfully obvious. RB needs to accept he is the 2nd qb and be patient in that role. If he can't deal with that he should transfer. Maybe a year off can help him mature both mentally and performance wise under different coaching. Then again maybe next year he will have new offensive coaches at Penn State.

  • It's pretty sad that when you really think about it, BOTH quarterbacks played best during their very first games as a starter. Ever since then they have both regressed or been stagnant.
    How sad is it that Rob Bolden looked at his best during his first career start, less than 30 days after stepping foot on campus? And ever since, he has only gotten worse.
    And has McGloin REALLY gotten any better? Think about it. He smashed the cupcake defenses yet again on our schedule, and was horrible in epic proportions against the strong D on our schedule yet again (Bama). Today's game for him (although better than Bolden and it needs to be McGloin going forward for now) was average at best (a terrible pick in the endzone, another throw into triple coverage in the endzone when he could've run it in, and although the one pass to Moye was a catch, it was also a dangerous throw off his back foot into triple coverage).
    So when you get down to it, do we REALLY know ANYTHING more than we did the day after the Outback Bowl? Despite all these months testing and evaluating these QBs?

  • LaJollaLion said... (original post)

    Newsflash...no matter the level of play...QB's look better with no pressure versus having a hand in their face. That isn't saying Jay is a good QB coach...that is common sense. How is it one QB can't throw a screen to save his life and one QB can....coaching...really? I'm not a huge Jay fan, but at what point do you call a spade a spade? If Rob had MM's presence or MM had Rob's arm...we are on to something. I can't fix it...just voicing my opinion on it.

    Ever played qb? It isn't hard to teach a screen. If the kid sucks at it, "newsflash", don't call for it. Similarly, stop relying on MM's arm to throw fades and letting him lock onto Moye (like the int today).

    Voice away dude, I think MM should start, but I think RB has been chronically and clearly undercoached.

  • gemrich said... (original post)

    It's pretty sad that when you really think about it, BOTH quarterbacks played best during their very first games as a starter. Ever since then they have both regressed or been stagnant.
    How sad is it that Rob Bolden looked at his best during his first career start, less than 30 days after stepping foot on campus? And ever since, he has only gotten worse.
    And has McGloin REALLY gotten any better? Think about it. He smashed the cupcake defenses yet again on our schedule, and was horrible in epic proportions against the strong D on our schedule yet again (Bama). Today's game for him (although better than Bolden and it needs to be McGloin going forward for now) was average at best (a terrible pick in the endzone, another throw into triple coverage in the endzone when he could've run it in, and although the one pass to Moye was a catch, it was also a dangerous throw off his back foot into triple coverage).
    So when you get down to it, do we REALLY know ANYTHING more than we did the day after the Outback Bowl? Despite all these months testing and evaluating these QBs?

    A perfect post. Well said.

  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    Ever played qb? It isn't hard to teach a screen. If the kid sucks at it, "newsflash", don't call for it. Similarly, stop relying on MM's arm to throw fades and letting him lock onto Moye (like the int today).

    Voice away dude, I think MM should start, but I think RB has been chronically and clearly undercoached.

    I can't speak for the under-coaching which very well may exist. That would be the case for both though...right???? I'm kind of tired of the excuses or idea that one can somehow beat a top 10 team. Neither kid can...I know it...you know it...we all now it. One may throw it further...not a doubt in my mind about that. I'm talking about moving up 2 feet in the pocket to complete a pass. MM isn't a great QB, but he is the better QB. You know it and I see you know it, but it's a hard pill to swallow right now. If PSU had a betterQB coach or offense to get Rob off his feet..I'm with you...but that isnt' the case. Hate on me all you want to, but I'm just saying MM deserves to start. Don't write it in concrete...but in pencil with a big eraser. I'm not thrilled at what we have, but apparently you think I am.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

  • LaJollaLion said... (original post)

    I can't speak for the under-coaching which very well may exist. That would be the case for both though...right???? I'm kind of tired of the excuses or idea that one can somehow beat a top 10 team. Neither kid can...I know it...you know it...we all now it. One may throw it further...not a doubt in my mind about that. I'm talking about moving up 2 feet in the pocket to complete a pass. MM isn't a great QB, but he is the better QB. You know it and I see you know it, but it's a hard pill to swallow right now. If PSU had a betterQB coach or offense to get Rob off his feet..I'm with you...but that isnt' the case. Hate on me all you want to, but I'm just saying MM deserves to start. Don't write it in concrete...but in pencil with a big eraser. I'm not thrilled at what we have, but apparently you think I am.

    Whos hating on you? Dude how insecure could you be?

    You said "blame jay all you want", and now you can't "speak for the under coaching". No one is making excuses for anyone. MM should start, and I think it's clear that I haven't always felt that way. Again, MM has earned the start IMO (worth nothing btw).

    RB needs reps and coaching. He is getting neither. Oh well, s**t happens. But it's strange how we don't develop legit qbs, olineman, or wideouts.

    Hold MM to the same standard as you've held RB (and given your history I think you will) and I have no issues.

  • He's to afraid of making a mistake IMO. That's why he is so robotic. IMO, he knows Joe was in MM's camp and after what happened last year, he just presses too much and isn't playing freely. MM on the other hand, isn't afraid to make a mistake and just goes out and plays. That's his best attribute imo.

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  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    Whos hating on you? Dude how insecure could you be?

    You said "blame jay all you want", and now you can't "speak for the under coaching". No one is making excuses for anyone. MM should start, and I think it's clear that I haven't always felt that way. Again, MM has earned the start IMO (worth nothing btw).

    RB needs reps and coaching. He is getting neither. Oh well, s**t happens. But it's strange how we don't develop legit qbs, olineman, or wideouts.

    Hold MM to the same standard as you've held RB (and given your history I think you will) and I have no issues.

    If he need reps or coaching, but MM should start...which side of your mouth do you want me to listen to? I actually gave RB a free pass for last year since he was a true frosh and wasn't an early enrollee. I'm not talking about history of posts here...MM is the better QB right now. You said you agree so I'm not sure why you are still upset at me. We don't have to agree on everything...seems like you are pissed about this. I wanted Rob to succeed man.. I really did. You say you want MM to start and I agree. No reason to keep saying something else. You are basically saying I agree with you, but I can't admit it. I was all for Rob Navy...really I was. He isn't there...it's ok to say that. You seriously need to read what is typed versus the handle as I know you agree.

    This post was edited by LaJollaLion 3 years ago

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

  • LaJollaLion said... (original post)

    If he need reps or coaching, but MM should start...which side of your mouth do you want me to listen to? I actually gave RB a free pass for last year since he was a true frosh and wasn't an early enrollee. I'm not talking about history of posts here...MM is the better QB right now. You said you agree so I'm not sure why you are still upset at me. We don't have to agree on everything...seems like you are pissed about this. I wanted Rob to succeed man.. I really did. You say you want MM to start and I agree. No reason to keep saying something else.

    Omg dude, he needs the reps but isn't getting them. You understand how practice works right? Reps with thefirst team, against the first team D? Staying in games and learning from mistakes and successes? That isn't happening is it? You're confusing a conversation with an argument. This isnt your finest hour, but feel free to keep it going, up to you.

    MM is better right now, for the reasons I stated, and because he just gets it right now. This really isn't hard. He deserves a chance. Misinterpret away.

  • gemrich said... (original post)

    I'll probably deal with this in the UFR column, but I can't help but bring it up now. Bolden has not played well and he's been getting worse, but I was still shocked by how he threw the ball today. There are two issues at play. First, his confidence is clearly completely shot. That fact alone makes it imperative that he's benched in favor of McGloin immediately. Second, it is absolutely astonishing to see this young man fall apart like this. I'm not sure if some people have forgotten, but he was a VERY accurate short/intermediate passer last year when he had time to thrown. If the guy was open and he had time it was assumed it would be completed. He had all sorts of normal freshman issues last year, but the natural throwing ability/talent was obvious from the get go (there's a reason he was hyped so much). For him to be throwing the ball this poorly is almost impossible. I don't have a definitive answer as to why he's regressed so far. Confidence is obviously an issue, but it can't be the only reason.

    He had more horrible throws than great ones last year as well. People ignored his many misses and only focused on his good passes because they were excited about the potential of a true freshman. But he's always been incredibly streaky, where he could be great for a quarter or so (first quarter of Kent State, first quarter of Minnesota) but then lose it and fall apart (middle half of Kent State, most of the Illinois game). IMO he's the same as he ever was - he just hasn't gotten better.

    What's apparent is that he's lost confidence, and he's aiming the ball instead of throwing it. That's one thing that rarely happens to McGloin (although it did last week). Even when he's off he just lets if fly, like a three point shooter trying to find his range.

  • gemrich said... (original post)

    It's pretty sad that when you really think about it, BOTH quarterbacks played best during their very first games as a starter. Ever since then they have both regressed or been stagnant. How sad is it that Rob Bolden looked at his best during his first career start, less than 30 days after stepping foot on campus? And ever since, he has only gotten worse. And has McGloin REALLY gotten any better? Think about it. He smashed the cupcake defenses yet again on our schedule, and was horrible in epic proportions against the strong D on our schedule yet again (Bama). Today's game for him (although better than Bolden and it needs to be McGloin going forward for now) was average at best (a terrible pick in the endzone, another throw into triple coverage in the endzone when he could've run it in, and although the one pass to Moye was a catch, it was also a dangerous throw off his back foot into triple coverage). So when you get down to it, do we REALLY know ANYTHING more than we did the day after the Outback Bowl? Despite all these months testing and evaluating these QBs?

    Some of you guys are unreal, and need to watch some other college football games for some perspective. Find me one college QB who's started less than a year full of games who makes no bad decisions or throws in a game. Hell, find me a game in the NFL where not bad decisions/dangerous throws are made.

    Specifically - my only problem with the pick throw was that it was late and a little short. If it had been a little farther (which has nothing to do with arm strength in this case - it's just accuracy) at worst Moye would have been able to break it up. But throwing fades to covered tall WRs in the back of the endzone is how many TDs happen. He took a shot, it didn't work out because it wasn't a good enough throw. That's ok.

    He could not have run for either TD attempt. He's not that big or fast, and there were defenders closing. And Kersey really should have caught the first one. So he should have had two TD passes this game. Complaining about his RZ perfomance - particularly his TD to Haplea - is inane and stupid.

    The throw to Moye in triple coverage in the middle of the field was a horrible decision that worked out. That happens all the time in college football too.

    McGloin's not a great QB. Primarily because he has too many mindfarts and he loses his range way too often. But he's really good. I hate the college pass efficiency stat, but McGloin's was really good today. Give credit where it's due.

  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    Omg dude, he needs the reps but isn't getting them. You understand how practice works right? Reps with thefirst team, against the first team D? Staying in games and learning from mistakes and successes? That isn't happening is it? You're confusing a conversation with an argument. This isnt your finest hour, but feel free to keep it going, up to you.

    MM is better right now, for the reasons I stated, and because he just gets it right now. This really isn't hard. He deserves a chance. Misinterpret away.

    I'm fine with giving MM the ball right now. I firmly believe he will struggle big time as we face teams who put pressure on him. I think he has truly benefited from RB starting and establishing short yardage things to allow MM to come in and go downfield. Not saying RB has lit it up, but there is a CLEAR goal in mind in the 1st quarter with our game planning. It's to draw the defense up whether through the run game or short passing game, to open it up for down field in the 2nd quarter. For a change, that is good coaching.

    Not taking anything from MM for having success when he comes in, but that has truly helped his case. Let him start and see if he can have the same success when he has to establish everything from the start.

    RB has not played well, that's clear. Lot of it is mental and coaches have to be able to handle that as well, and they have failed for about 1 calendar year now. Things that CAN be taught are not being taught. If he can't run a screen, stop calling it. How idiotic is that? If he's having trouble with his short passes, then why the heck are you only calling short passes on the first drive? Just idiotic.

    Anyway....go with MM, see how long that lasts. Let him have his shot now.

  • md154 said... (original post)

    I'm fine with giving MM the ball right now. I firmly believe he will struggle big time as we face teams who put pressure on him. I think he has truly benefited from RB starting and establishing short yardage things to allow MM to come in and go downfield. Not saying RB has lit it up, but there is a CLEAR goal in mind in the 1st quarter with our game planning. It's to draw the defense up whether through the run game or short passing game, to open it up for down field in the 2nd quarter. For a change, that is good coaching.

    Not taking anything from MM for having success when he comes in, but that has truly helped his case. Let him start and see if he can have the same success when he has to establish everything from the start.

    RB has not played well, that's clear. Lot of it is mental and coaches have to be able to handle that as well, and they have failed for about 1 calendar year now. Things that CAN be taught are not being taught. If he can't run a screen, stop calling it. How idiotic is that? If he's having trouble with his short passes, then why the heck are you only calling short passes on the first drive? Just idiotic.

    Anyway....go with MM, see how long that lasts. Let him have his shot now.

    Yeah, cause McGloin's never come in and done well in the first quarter against a legit defense. Oh wait no, that's right he put up 17 points in a first half against OSU - it's Bolden that's never scored a TD in the first half against a good defense. Your backhanded compliments and excuse making have gotten old.

  • PSUEngr02 said... (original post)

    Some of you guys are unreal, and need to watch some other college football games for some perspective. Find me one college QB who's started less than a year full of games who makes no bad decisions or throws in a game. Hell, find me a game in the NFL where not bad decisions/dangerous throws are made.

    Specifically - my only problem with the pick throw was that it was late and a little short. If it had been a little farther (which has nothing to do with arm strength in this case - it's just accuracy) at worst Moye would have been able to break it up. But throwing fades to covered tall WRs in the back of the endzone is how many TDs happen. He took a shot, it didn't work out because it wasn't a good enough throw. That's ok.

    He could not have run for either TD attempt. He's not that big or fast, and there were defenders closing. And Kersey really should have caught the first one. So he should have had two TD passes this game. Complaining about his RZ perfomance - particularly his TD to Haplea - is inane and stupid.

    The throw to Moye in triple coverage in the middle of the field was a horrible decision that worked out. That happens all the time in college football too.

    McGloin's not a great QB. Primarily because he has too many mindfarts and he loses his range way too often. But he's really good. I hate the college pass efficiency stat, but McGloin's was really good today. Give credit where it's due.

    It's not about being flawless. The fact is it's the same problems over and over again. The only problem with McGloin's pick wasn't the throw. I was sitting in SA in the first 4 rows and watched the entire thing unfold just feet away from me. McGloin saw the slant to MooMoo wasn't there, then looks to Moye and sees that it was covered... then he hesitates, and decides to throw the fade anyway. There was no possible way the pass was going to be complete. The CB (who looked to be about 6'1-6'2) was right in front of Moye who had no room whatsoever to operate with on the sideline. The only thing to do there, was to throw the ball away. McGloin saw that the fade wasn't there, and then decided to throw the ball anyway. It wasn't a simple misread or a throw that got away from him. It was yet again just a conscious, reckless decision and a case of McGloin trying to play above himself.
    And yes, he was wide open for a rushing touchdown on the first redzone drive. And who criticized his TD to Haplea? That was the easiest throw of his career. Haplea was all by himself and the entire defense was trying to stop us from gaining 9 yards a pop running the ball. We could've called any running play in the book to score that touchdown. Instead, McGloin had a nice little gift-wrapped cherry on top with the easiest completion he will see in his career. Great for him, and great for Haplea.
    I've already said McGloin has won the job, but spare me. His game was average at best and his problems have not changed and still reared their heads today. The fact that his problems have not at all changed, and that Bolden has regressed falls on the coaching staff, which was the point of my post. Neither QB is in a position to succeed because of this staff. That is a fact. This whole "competition" was an utter failure and if we ever have to lean on our QB, regardless of who it is, to win a game fr us going forward we will lose. Our only chances of winning are to get the running game going, and play great defense.

  • md154 said... (original post)

    I'm fine with giving MM the ball right now. I firmly believe he will struggle big time as we face teams who put pressure on him. I think he has truly benefited from RB starting and establishing short yardage things to allow MM to come in and go downfield. Not saying RB has lit it up, but there is a CLEAR goal in mind in the 1st quarter with our game planning. It's to draw the defense up whether through the run game or short passing game, to open it up for down field in the 2nd quarter. For a change, that is good coaching.

    Not taking anything from MM for having success when he comes in, but that has truly helped his case. Let him start and see if he can have the same success when he has to establish everything from the start.

    RB has not played well, that's clear. Lot of it is mental and coaches have to be able to handle that as well, and they have failed for about 1 calendar year now. Things that CAN be taught are not being taught. If he can't run a screen, stop calling it. How idiotic is that? If he's having trouble with his short passes, then why the heck are you only calling short passes on the first drive? Just idiotic.

    Anyway....go with MM, see how long that lasts. Let him have his shot now.

    Pretty clear.

    MM should get a chance. No reason not to. Also no reason not to hold him accountable if he sucks, unlike last year. Now that psueng crawled back out from a rock post-Bama, we'll see if they are as impartial as they claim.

  • PSUEngr02 said... (original post)

    Yeah, cause McGloin's never come in and done well in the first quarter against a legit defense. Oh wait no, that's right he put up 17 points in a first half against OSU - it's Bolden that's never scored a TD in the first half against a good defense. Your backhanded compliments and excuse making have gotten old.

    You weren't here to take your medicine after Bama, so just go away. You have no credibility or objectivity and aren't 1/3 as smart as you think you are. Pathetic to slither back here after today. Absolutely pathetic.

  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    You weren't here to take your medicine after Bama, so just go away. You have no credibility or objectivity and aren't 1/3 as smart as you think you are. Pathetic to slither back here after today. Absolutely pathetic.

    +1

  • I don't really feel like speculating on Bolden's regression, but whatever the reason...it's very sad. As much as everyone thinks he stinks...as gem said, the kid showed a ton of potential. I just wish our coaches were good enough for us to say "well, we know it's not on them." Sadly, it's the exact opposite situation.

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  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    Omg dude, he needs the reps but isn't getting them. You understand how practice works right? Reps with thefirst team, against the first team D? Staying in games and learning from mistakes and successes? That isn't happening is it? You're confusing a conversation with an argument. This isnt your finest hour, but feel free to keep it going, up to you.

    MM is better right now, for the reasons I stated, and because he just gets it right now. This really isn't hard. He deserves a chance. Misinterpret away.

    So you agree...thanks.

    "One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."

  • NavyNittany said... (original post)

    You weren't here to take your medicine after Bama, so just go away. You have no credibility or objectivity and aren't 1/3 as smart as you think you are. Pathetic to slither back here after today. Absolutely pathetic.

    You simply need to grow up. I'll be willing to discuss football rationally and calmly once you do.