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This isn't meant to start any heated debates about race, but I just wanted to see others opinions.
Is anyone else really bothered with people complaining that no black head coaches were hired in the NFL? What has our world come to? I mean if the best candidate is white, black, yellow or anything in between that is who I am hiring. I understand that a lot of NFL owners are older and may have some racial issues, but whatever. The majority of owners simply want to win and just want who they think can coach the best. It almost seems that the NFL wants to force owners to hire black head coaches, and that is simply ridiculous.
Why are there a lot more black players in the NFL than white? Why aren't there more black people playing in the NHL? When will there be anything done about race in regards to players? If we are to ignore coaching ability should we ignore player talent as well?
I can't speak for what goes on in the NFL as it makes no sense with regards to coaches. But as for the NHL, do you know how expensive it is to get your kids involved in hockey? Just for the equipment is a ridiculous amount, then add in rink time, and travel. Not many people can afford it as children get older. If you look at a lot of the guys in the NFL a lot are from parts of the country that they may not have had much money. Much cheaper to play football, soccer, basketball than it is hockey.
I understand that. I was just using it as an example of how ridiculous things are. I mean how do you imagine someone like Ray Horton feels when he knows a team is ready to hire someone else, but he still has to talk to them before they can make the hire? To me it goes against its intended purpose of equality.
I have more of a problem with teams recycling old coaches that have failed in the past. HC of Team X gets fired and then gets hired as HC of Team Y or works as an OC for a year or 2 and then gets gets hired as a HC somewhere else. It just doesn't make sense to me.
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Because it's freaking expensive to play hockey and there aren't a lot of black people in Canada.
Can't stand all the talking heads on ESPN talking about how it is a "disgrace" and a "step backwards." When these people own their teams, they can hire anybody they want. I believe the owners hire the person they feel is the best candidate. The Rooney Rule is just an NFL PR tool.
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Also, its not like football is extremely cheap. Football means more in black communities so they make financial sacrifices / time sacrifices so that their children can play.
I am surprised that Lovie Smith didn't sign with a team.
I don't think race has anything to do with the hirings this year.
I think it's probably a matter on people moving up the ranks. You typically aren't going to hire a position coach as your head coach and it also seems that focus around the league has been on offense.
Truth be told, I don't know the number of white or black offensive and defensive coordinators around the league. Lovie Smith, Romeo Crennal, Mike Tomlin were all coordinators and went up through the ranks and were successful. Lezlie Frazier is another example. If you are successful you will get an interview and or the job.
If winning was easy even losers would do it.
I'm not, he's a defensive guy and offense is hot right now. 7 of the 8 new hires were offensive guys and the only defensive guy that was hired was a lot cheaper than Lovie Smith would have been. But of course this has to be made about race and how the NFL will try to shape human behavior through interviewing mandates.
My thoughts as well.
Maybe the talking heads should concern themselves more with Journalistic integrity.
Right, like Bill Belichick who was 36-44 at Cleveland.
Pretty much... All PR. Sometimes affirmative action causes more harm than good... This is a way around it. But if a team has a target that they want, they will go get him. A la Chip Kelly... But some good comes of it. My steelers would have never found Tomlin without it... They are the last team to hire a minority HC from outside their organization... A lot has to change with coaching. I think it says a lot that Andy Reid won 4 games and was employed the next day... Lovie Smith wins 10 and he barely gets an interview...
WE ARE! And we will always be...
Problem is a lot of black coaches aren't given the opportunity to be successful (coordinator spots). I don't want to get into an intense debate, but the numbers don't lie...
I think that that is changing though, with guys like Frazier, Raheem Morris, lovie smith, David shaw, Kevin Sumlin, mike singletary, hue Jackson, Marvin Lewis, Jim Caldwell, Denny green, ray Rhodes, herm, dungy, crennel, fewell, charlie strong, etc.
Guys having success at all levels shows that there are many black coaches that are well qualified for coaching teams. However, I will say a majority of these guys are defensive minded coaches, and offense is the flavor of the league right now. I mean look at the scores of these playoff games.
Crennel has gotten multiple shots and if we're being honest, KC should've been nasty good this year. As for the Reid and Smith comparisons, Reid is historically one of the most successful coaches of this era, so him getting another shot is not because he's white, it's because of his résumé. As for smith, he'll be a head coach again at the latest in a couple of years when teams realize how important defense is again. Very few defenses were as dominating as the bears this past year, but that was lost with their decline the second half of the season.
Out of those guys listed above, I expect perry fewell, lovie smith, hue Jackson, Jim Caldwell, and maybe dungy to run NFL teams again on Sundays.
I will say I am a minority too because I want to share where my viewpoint is coming from.
This is the single dumbest thing out there....
Does anyone think the NFL ignores white running backs, white DBs, or black QBs??? NO!!! They hire the best folks they can regardless of who they are.
The same goes for coaches... Hell who was even a good candidate? Ray Horton??? Dude has cornrows... If Chip Kelly came in with a mullet I'd lose my mind. You need to look the part.
Not to mention his team sucked.... It is like the Browns hiring the Chud... I'd jump if I was those fans!
If the Rooney rule exists we should have a white DB / RB / Black QB rule
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I just think its ironic that Chud just hired Horton as his defensive coordinator.
Horton had his defense ranked 12 th in the NFL and that's impressive considering the fact that the cards had no offense. Their defense accomplished that while averaging 42 min per game. As for chud, hate the guy if you want, but he knows how to build qbs and run an offense.
Both guys are extremely qualified. I think what helped Chud was that he's from Cleveland and grew up a loyal browns fan, so he knows how important the franchise is to that city and its economy.
Seriously, you wouldn't want Horton because he has cornrows? What does that have to do with his football ability and football IQ? Nothing, guy can flat out coach. Seriously, bellichek looks like a Hobo in his cutoff sleeves hoodie, but I'd take him in a heartbeat.
Ryan has a mullet and he's a good DC last time I checked...
It is changing very slowly. Sumlin is HUGE, especially in the SEC. Im just saying it's still a problem and the numbers dont lie, but you make good points. Id say its changing at an extremely slow rate. And half of the guys you listed aren't coaching. Just had to point that out... And that list is total... Among both college and the pros... Sad. And Jim Caldwell went from HC to position coach (not an OC). Lovie smith is unemployed after a 10 win season... Just reality. Not saying that it's as bad as it was back in the day, by any stretch. Just saying there is a long way to go. And college is WAAAAAY worse than the NFL. Period.
You can be a lieutenant not a General.... like I said
Do you believe football discriminates against White running backs and white corners?
Glady take Horton as a DC... not a HC. Belichick also went hoodie later on... he won then earned it. Not the other way around.
That argument has no standing. They're football coaches, not CEOs. Let them wear hoodies and have cornrows, this ain't the military. Horton has demonstrated his ability to coach, he doesn't need to cut his hair to prove that he can coach.
He's still a coordinator... There arent even that many black coordinators in the league, let alone HCs... Again, the numbers don't lie. And the numbers are even worse in college. Facts are facts.
No, it doesn't. If you can play football and you're better than the next guy, then you will play. In football, plenty guys get tryouts (multiple tryouts) and have plenty of opportunities to earn a chance to play.
Playing football and coaching football are two different animals. Coaching, only a select few get opportunities based on who they know, who they've played under, etc. it's a more selective process.
To state that there is no legitimacy to that argument would be absolutely naive. Fact is that their is a discriminatory factor in the coaching profession, but I don't believe it's an epidemic as some are preaching. It's to a certain extent, and I believe there is progress being made.
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