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I think it is safe to say Bench has more physical ability than McGloin. If Bench is our guy next year, why is it not feasible for him to have a year every bit as good as McGloin. McGloin had limited physical skills, little time to digest the offense but had great coaching. Bench, yet inexperienced, has more physical tools, a full year of learning the system and O'Brien. McGloin also did not have the luxury of the receivers having a lot of time with the offense. With O"Brien's coaching and unlimited potential at WR and TE, we are in good shape next year IMO.
McGloin had experience. That's very key here. Not to mention that a number of people have said that McGloin put in a ton of work this past offseason to learn the offense.
I like Bench and I think he'll be good. But the fact is that we need bodies at QB. Having two QB's for spring is not going to cut it. Hopefully PSU can close the deal with Ferguson and bring in a 3rd.
In time, Bench will gain the experience and knowledge of the offense necessary to be better than McGloin. I really like his athletic ability and I've been saying for a while that a mobile QB would add a great element to this offense. Just think he's too young right now.
Overall experience of playing 2 years in the BigTen in all kinds of conditions, places, and situations. Also, not enough people realize that McGloin as a super senior only had like 1 class and worked his ass off all spring and summer with the WRs.
Bench doesn't have that luxury of free time. Our players play school too, ya know.
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For this year, doubtful. McGloin had 2 years of experience and what Corrie has documented as a ridiculous work ethic (helped by the fact that he was basically done with all of his classes and could devote more time to football, a luxury Bench does not have). Those two factors would make it very difficult for Bench to replicate MM's 2012 season in 2013. In 2014 and 2015, he could be very good. There are infinite variables in play though, as we all know including injuries, competition, and ability (which we do not know yet).
We all hope he kills it though.
Agreed 100%. I cannot help but think that the opinion of the guys on his team speaks volumes of his ability. The guys that practice with him and catch passes from him seem to have a very high opinion of him. Yes, spring depth is an absolute must.
Ehh, they're gonna rally around their guy, especially if he's a bit down because of all the buzz surrounding Waters. I'm sure people find it a little insulting. Doesn't necessarily speak to his ability, but may speak to his relationship with guys on the roster.
Bench won't be able to put in the time that McG did so it will be tought to duplicate. One thing that might help take some pressure off of Bench (Fergie?) is if they come out with a better running game. We didn't run the ball real well early in the season and our record showed. If we can run the ball it will make it easier for a new QB to ease into the system and build confidence before BIG play.
This post was edited by Vincent Vega 16 months ago
Very true. I am probably too optimistic at times, but I think if you look back at last year, there are a number of players on offense that started the season with no experience and some potential and had killer years because of the system. Yes, QB is a different animal but when you are throwing the ball 100 times a year to a TE on an easier, higher percentage throw, it will help with the progress and confidence for sure.
I think having Zwinak and an experienced line will definitely help Bench grow into the position in the early going. Overall I'd say Bench's numbers will be worse than McGloins but he'll be a better quarterback by the end of the year.
Far and away McGloin's best attribute is his mind. It's the one thing BOB consistently praised him on all year long, he was astounded at how quickly he continued to pick up the offense all year.
THAT is what separated McGloin from his competition.
Bench may have all the physical tools in the world, but it's hard to beat an excellent decision maker and a smart guy.
agreed, we have seen this a lot the last few years...we have had a lot of gifted athletes, both athletically and arm strength, the last few years that have flopped. McGloin on the other hand was just a very good football guy. Great pocket presence, great leader, and overall very good college qb. I don't expect that from Bench out of the gates
I don't either, but I also don't think he young man can be counted-out with the coaching he's received thus far. The kid needs experience is all. I imagine the JUCO we get will likely start unless there is a huge discrepancy on decision making.
And make no mistake; BOB doesn't give a care about how far you can throw the ball... He wants the kids with all the intangibles, and if you get that AND the physical tools (a la Hackenberg... i mean seriously, he can make ANY throw and has beautiful touch on the ball already, solid footwork, quick release... solid all around) then that is just icing on the cake.
Bench will likely be prepared very well. His first few games, should he achieve the opportunity to start, will be choppy. But I look forward to the battle between the QB's to see who comes out on top.
I've been high on Bench since he got to PSU. I think he has the potential to play very well next year. I understand he's young but that doesn't stop guys like Manziel from winning the Heisman. If Bench can pick up the system and play within the offense I think BOB will call plays that play to Bench's strengths. PSU needs to bring in depth but I have faith that Bench can get the job done.
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Completely different offenses. In fact, earlier today I just read an article about how the air raid is being used (and adjusted) because it's so easy to learn and kids like Manziel can come in and win a Heisman as a RS freshman.
I do like Bench and hope he's developing into a good QB.
Any chance you have a link to the article?
However, its true...I think Mike Leach once said that he could install his entire offense in a half hour (or something like that). With Air Raid and its variations, its more about adjustments and execution.
EDIT: Half hour - three days...same difference
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"Now a redshirt freshman playing in the country’s toughest division for a team in its first year in the system can win the Heisman trophy and lead his team to ten wins. This is what athletic directors hope they are hiring, and what the Air Raid now promises."
The Air Raid offense -- the pass-first attack developed by Hal Mumme and Mike Leach from the old BYU offense -- is seemingly everywhere. In the last couple of
This post was edited by psubills62 16 months ago
Thanks, I love Chris Brown's work. His book also is an interesting read, I gained a lot more respect for Ole Ball Coach because of it.
I'd like to get that book at some point. Should have added it to my Christmas list.
Tough to duplicate or surpass the type of year that McGloin had last year... So I wouldn't expect it.
But from everything I have read and seen about Bench he's going to be fine. Nobody expected the improvement in McGloin that we saw from him this year. This kid has sat in the same meetings gotten the back-up reps and has a relationship with the players who are here. He's a faster, more athletic and physical kid with a bigger arm and I have heard O'Brien compliment his mind a several times. He beat out PJ and will most definitely have a bigger chip on his shoulder after the Water's recruitment and the fact that Hack is coming in.
Finally... We win that Virginia game if Robinson catches that ball. That was a pretty pass for a true freshman who was scrambling for his life who had just been thrown to the wolves in the middle of a closely contested game.
I am not worried about Bench trying to duplicate McGloin's year. I'm interested to see what O'Brien does with a QB whose skill set alone gives BOB more options to tinker with.
If you go back to this time last year, no one expected a thing out of McGloin or Robinson, Carter, Zwinack for that matter. O'Brien simply has a way of taking the guys he has and using a system that maximizes each at their positions. Lets be realistic. None of these guys would have done much of anything in the old system prior to O'Brien. My point is the expectation for Bench is about equal IMO to what the expectation was for McGloin last year prior to the season. I really think O'Brien is that good and Bench or whoever QB's will have a very good year. Lets not forget a veteran line, a good stable of backs, and more talent at TE and WR than we have seen in years. This will make the QB position much easier.
This post was edited by 2017Champions 16 months ago
Seems to me Bench is light years ahead in the ladies department, wasn't he dating some well known hottie this year?
There is so much that goes into the quarterback position that I think people don't appreciate. It's more than knowing the plays and having a strong arm. McGloin had a lot of intangibles that I don't think people gave him enough credit for. The guy commanded the huddle and let a player know it when they screwed up. Tony Sacca was always great at that. Not showing the guy up. Just giving him a look like, wtf dude?
McGloin was also used to the speed of the game after playing for the two previous years. It took him time, but he eventually got good at feeling the rush and either side-stepping it or getting the ball out. And he learned that sometimes you just have to take the sack and live to play another down.
This is all stuff Bench or even Hack is not going to bring in next year. It takes time to learn that stuff, and until they get the x's and o's down and get thrown out there to experience it they'll never really get it.
This post was edited by HolyLion 16 months ago
Bench has a long way to go mechanically and those bad mechanics will prevent him from being as accurate.
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and we don't have a cupcake to open the schedule.....anyone know about Syracuse and how much they are returning for next year?
I know they lose Ryan Nassib (their QB) and he is a heck of a player.
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