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but not Joe Paterno. What a country.
Ray Lewis doesn
WOW all I can do is shake my head....
Dominate The State
I don't want to get into Joe vs. Ray. Instead, who the hell would make a statue of a guy who admitted to tampering with a murder investigation? At best, he hurt an unsolved double murder. Seems a terrible choice for a statue (I'm not for statues in general really, but this is worse than any other I've seen).
Putting a statue up of a murderer. Can't say I'm surprised.
It is Baltimore.
Tom Carcetti wouldn't stand for this!!
Steelers fans will fly planes over, "Take it down or we will."
Meyer4Prez "This is wut happens when ur team site analyst are huge homers glad Bill K+Alex G keep it real instead of getting our hopes up."
Not that I agree with the statue (at all), but:
1) What have you done for me lately?
2) Didn't involve kids.
you guys parrot all of the arguments that non-penn state fans say about joepa's statue. ray lewis means a lot to the baltimore community. non-fans don't understand and just react based on what they believe.
He is what he is.
Priscilla Lollar still doesn't believe her son is dead. Deep down, she knows he's gone. She knows it every time she turns on the TV and sees Ravens linebacker Ray Lewis.
"I like your head, it's a good look." - James Franklin, to a bald reporter asking a question.
He's admitted to things that would be considered obstruction of justice. Read the article posted above this one. It's not debatable. At best, he helped ruin a murder case that went unsolved because evidence was lacking.
i'm not going to argue about the facts. ray lewis pled to obstruction of justice. i dont think he's a saint and i understand the reaction of people that feel he doesn't deserve a statue. i just wonder if the people that are calling him a murderer are the same people that get so upset when other people just assume joe hid a pedophile.
I understand. I don't call him a murderer. I do say that at best he helped ruin two unsolved murders. At worst he was involved more directly.
In a related story, USC will begin construction on the OJ Simpson statue.
"One man didn't build this program and one man sure as hell cannot tear it down."
You said we're reacting based on what we believe. That is false. We're reacting to what he's admitted/pled to - aka 'the facts'.
Every dog needs something to piss on!!!
If you actually read the public transcript of the case and the interviews from the investigator, you would know that he actually ended up testifying against the two guys who committed the murders. He got obstruction of justice because he refused to talk to the police and help in the investigation after they accused him of the crime, and he invoked his right to an attorney. Yeah, he took a plea bargain for obstruction of justice, but that plea was made by the DA because they knew they really had no case against him, and used it as a bargaining chip to not lose the whole case. In the end, even with Lewis testimony against the two guys who committed the murders, the other guys still got acquitted.
Does that make him a hero or blame free, hell no. But my point is that he was not the murderer that everyone has dubbed him to be. Even the two investigators came out and said that they should have never charged him in the matter, but the only reason they did him was because there was a lot of pressure from the media. Well Ray got his day in court, and even testified against the guys that committed the murders.
How long are we going to sit around, piss and moan, and compare every situation to the tragedy that happened at Penn State? But at the same time, we're going to b*%ch about the fact that ESPN and BTN bring it up during the broadcast of every game.
Let's let the damn court cases play out, win our lawsuits against the NCAA (seems like the Paternos are jumping in on it too), and move on and celebrate when we get our vindication, instead of looking to celebrate or taint every other person or incident thats related to sports. (Yes, that was a run-on sentence before someone decides to point it out to me.)
This post was edited by Bedford2108 17 months ago
There was also the small matter of the suit that he was wearing that night miraculously disappearing. Can't remember a day of my life when I was unable to locate the previous night's clothing.
There was conflicting testimony regarding the suit, which the media blew out of proportion, that was resolved during the court case. Again, if you read the transcripts and all of the testimony, you would be able to see that that was hashed out in court, but the media doesn't care about that. The driver of their limo ended up testifying about seeing the two men who committed the murders with the weapon and blood all over their clothing. He also testified to seeing Lewis trying to break up the altercation that ended up costing those two guys their lives, which the court ruled as self-defense in favor of the defendants.
Look, I'm a cop, and I'll be the first to tell you that everyone lies to the cops. Whether its self preservation, panic, fear, or deliberate, I know the first thing anyone ever tells me is lie. Whether its a violent crime, or a simple speeding ticket. Yeah, Ray lied to the cops at first, but what that really means is that he didn't cooperate and said that he didn't see anything in regards to the incident. Every violent crime I've worked, almost every witness on the first go around says that they didn't see anything, and its an unspoken code where everyone plays this game of silence. Eventually, in every case, someone ends up talking. In this case, it ended up being Ray Lewis, and funny thing, he ended up being the key witness in the murder trial, which lacked any evidence at all for prosecution. Like the investigators said, if it didn't involve someone that was high profile, they never would have brought charges in the case, and cleared it as self-defense from the get go.
And If I'm being honest, I was in the anti-Ray Lewis crowd up until I became a police officer. Being a police officer in Northern Virginia, especially right outside of DC, there are a lot of high profile people in the area. As an assignment, early on in my career, I was given a case study in reference to the Lewis case, and how law enforcement can be swayed by the court of public opinion and the wrath of the media. The whole purpose was to be diligent, do a thorough investigation, and to not center your investigation around satisfying the media stranglehold. For that reason, I will never bring charges against someone just to satisfy the sensationalism of the media nor feed it with speculation. I care more about justice than fame, especially considering what PSU has gone through without due process.
EDIT---- Just a subtle reminder that not all the "facts" presented by the media are actually facts.
This post was edited by NitLionsGo 17 months ago
Agree. This speaks to state of our society. For the record, I personnally think Paterno forfeited the honor as well.
A lot of people throwing stones in this thread.
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