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Very true... But I don't see him gaining many votes if all he does is keep the 60 million in state.. He knows that.. Seeing how both Corbett and Emmert work, I wouldn't be surprised to see some back door negotiating that makes both parties come out looking OK. What will that entail? I have no idea.. That's just my opinion.
Lets say this takes three years (a solid timeline all things considered) to sort through if it goes to court, our bowl ban would be over. Maybe some scholarship restrictions would be the best hope. The trade off is there would likely be no settlement and they would also be paying the fines and watching it go elsewhere outside of PA, which is what they really do not want.
I think the money part is, like you pointed out, extremely favorable to the State. Whether they go for a elimination of the fine, or a redirection of the monies themselves.
The rest (which most fans care about) is iffy. Also the NCAA did cite specific sections for violations that PSU did commit during sanctions. So they did talk about that authority.
That's fine, but his reelection campaign is going on right now, his election is in 2014, and the court case would almost asssuredly not be settled by then. If he doesn't get reelected he probably won't care anymore (which could lead to a deal in lame duck), and by fighting now and through his election he can still claim he is fighting the fight. Or he could get the money back sooner and please the legislature and still look moderately good to the voters.
Politickin mutha fuckaz
While I agree with everything FLY said I have a hard time believing that Corbett will fight to take money away from victims of abuse. I think they are shooting for having the money kept in state and I have a feeling that the NCAA will fight a reduction in sanctions b/c it would set a bad precedent for future NCAA action.
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Could our recent progress report from Sen. Mitchell be used to help coax a quick (ish) settlement in our favor?
I'm also interested in seeing how the NCAA justifies sanctioning PSU in a criminal matter. The fact that they forced PSU to sign the consent decree makes me think the NCAA knows they are out of their jurisdiction.
Bingo. The redirection to PA use only looks so much better politically than any other option. Especially in times of fiscal constraint where those agencies could use any small boost they could get to help with operations.
Good talkin JT. I need to get to bed here in a bit. Our politics start out here big time tomorrow and I needed to be suited up and ready to go in the morning. Trying to squeeze every last minute out of today that I can though. Goodbye social life.
No idea to be honest. Still a lot of red tape to go through either way and the NCAA will want to hit every bit they can.
Reading those reports piss me off though, reminds me that Penn State had a plan to combat this and were completely embarrassed and enraged over this isolated incident.
Will miss ya bud (even though you didn't get back to me about my pm :-p ).
All good though. I hate the feeling of having that anchor over your head knowing your good/easy times are going away for a while.
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The 3 year, end of sanctions, time frame that you propose makes no sense.
Yes, of course it might take 3 yrs for the suit to traverse normal proceedings.
but if it takes 3 years, and the court finds for PA, what is the remedy? NCAA says my bad? NCAA gets hit with large punitive damages?
No, these make no sense.
If it becomes clear that the State has standing, and NCAA is unwilling to settle, then there will be an injunction to stay the sanctions while this is settled. We'll know within a few months, a year at tops.
An injunction is not at all guaranteed, that is why I didn't include it. There are a lot of unknowns right now. If you don't think one of the things the NCAA will try to do is stall it out, well you're wrong there. And it doesn't kill Corbett to do it either. I expect the injunction talk to come around in the same timeline you mentioned, if it gets that far. I am far from sold it will ever get there though. Not to mention Penn State runs a chance to lose this (hell even if they technically win it) and have the sanctions still come back and be reinstated, which could happens at how the court decision is decided. They could "win" by the courts saying the NCAA did not follow protocol, toss em and make the NCAA redo the sanctions process.
Also, I do want to point out that I don't neccessarily disagree what you guys are stating. A lot of it I 100% agree could happen. However, most people here, by nature, want it all to work out for PSU 100% and believe it will because it "has" to. But there are two sides to every coin, and frankly the "plan for the worst, hope for the best" option is always best used in natures this political and high stakes. There will be pressures from both sides, lets not forgot y'alls President agreed with the sanctions, and lots of back room dealings. Its how it works. Anyone who has been on the boards knows how adamant I was, and still am, that the NCAA overstepped its jurisdiction on these sanctions. Obviously there's loopholes and trap doors along the way. I hope this sincerely works out the best for us, but just like when it was in the NCAA's court and we were all (including Sean) very confident that they would not want to set this slippery slope precedent we need to see both arguments and be cautiously optimistic.
Now I'm going to bed so I can be rested to effectively cut budgets.
Good luck hopefully you do a better job than our do nothing Congress!
I know the money is Corbett's priority but I hope that priority #2 is scholarships. It doesnt sit right with me that over 4 years 80 people that would otherwise have an education paid for are out of luck. If this staff is truly trying to lock down PA, that shouldnt sit well with anyone in a PA government position.
Historically the courts shy away from such cases as this because the NCAA is not a legal body but an administrative body of which PSU is a member and the punishments were administrative and agreed to by both parties. I think the purpose of the suit may be to have the $60M fine spent in PA instead of all over the country.
If this is still going on when corbetts is trying to get re-elected the dems will pound him with long he is taking. the excitement generated will be gone if its at a stand still. while i agree that it couldn't hurt his chances, unless he has made significant progress it will be for nothing. if it is to keep kane busy, that might work.
This could be him getting out in front of it also if he thought kane was going to do something similar when she gets in in a few weeks.
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I personally don't think the NCAA wants to stall it at all and I definitely don't think they want it to go the whole way through the courts....although I would love to see Emmert/Ray squirm on the stand under oath about the process and if they "forced" Erickson to sign any consent decree. It's my personal opinion that a settlement is reached before anything ends up in court.
I wouldn't be so sure. Just can't discount the political motivations.....he does this and reaches a settlement that actually decreases the sanctions in any way, he's going to win back voters and he knows that is literally his only chance. He does this and all that happens is the 60 million stays instate, well he won't have changed much in regards to his political campaign. Thamel also tweeted earlier that the headline of the suit is "illegal sanctions".... Whatever that means. I'm just optimistic because I don't think a token mention of the football sanctions in the suit and then reaching a settlement that only involves the money is going to change anything for Corbett politically. He has to know the only thing that is legitimately going to swing voters in this state is fighting and winning for PSU.
IMO, the manner in which the NCAA handled this made that clear from day one. They knew going into it that they were walking the line. They basically won the lottery when PSU leadership just rolled over for them. Any fight at all from PSU would have probably prevented it. Everything the State is doing now could have been threatened up front by PSU and the NCAA's track record is terrible on these matters. Instead, Erickson willingly apologized and gave up without any fight at all and the really strange thing is that Gene Marsh supported it.
I think the other interesting thing here is that Erickson is now rumored to be out as early as 1/18. If you recall, he pledged that no PA tax dollars would be used to pay the fine, but according to the law, that is not possible. They could not have picked a worse leader in our darkest hour.
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This will never go to trial. If it makes it past an initial request by the NCAA to dismiss due to standing, they will fold fast. They do not want to go through discovery and give access to all their internal documentation, emails, records, etc relating to this case.
My bet is this is resolved before the end of 13 or even before next season. I'm guessing a reduction in sanctions years, but the full fine amount, to be kept in PA.
sums up my thoughts as well.
The number one thing I hope they go after is the scholarship limitations.
Do you use a red fine point sharipe?
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