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The legislators want to be reelected, and supporting Penn State Football in PA will help them achieve that.
But but but all the legal experts on these message boards said we couldnt challenge them.
I am not expecting anything to come of it, at most, a slight reduction in the bowl/scholly restrictions, and the fine cut down. Still, just glad someone is fighting for PSU, and it is not even PSU (of course it wouldnt be with our "leaders").
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
Agreed, even if the lawsuit fails when election time comes Corbett can say he tried to get the sanctions reduced.
Dominate The State
Different thought. How does the BoT respond? We know how the corporate members will respond but given the large number of Corbett appointed members, do they change course at some point?
1) No one said they "could not" be challenged, the US legal system allows cases to be brought. Some, including myself, doubted the effectiveness. Depending on what the case is, this is still a difficult task. Like you mentioned. A good tactic by the State however.
2) They were also based on the school challenging, the Gov and AG is a VASTLY different animal.
3) This is much better than PSU fighting, they signed away their chance to fight (stupidly).
4) Many didn't think the Governor would get involved more than he already had, this is surprising to people across the spectrum.
5) Most of the people in this thread and others who have spoken on it work in government or are lawyers. There are some pople who yell just to yell, but a lot of this was good legal talk back and forth and shows how difficult this could be for the State depending on what exactly they are challenging it, and what they actually figure to accomplish.
We're not challenging them, the commonwealth of PA is.
“If you remember me, then I don't care if everyone else forgets.” ― Haruki Murakami
so if the state sues...does the ncaa cave and keeps this from going to court?
one has to think that they really dont want to be under oath here
This post was edited by white_out 18 months ago
I doubt it unless they don't want people on the stand talking about how stuff went down. If it gets to court, I'm sure the NCAA will drag it out as long as possible. IMO this is about keeping the fine $ in PA which I'm sure the NCAA would ultimately agree to.
This is about to get real.......
PENN STATE FOREVER
Depends on what the specifics are, I think. I think it is 50/50 to ever get to court anyways, and I think most if over the use of the money rather than the sanctions itself. Its a big risk for the NCAA for sure, but they run dangerously close to setting a leaky precedent by settling too much. This isn't an easy case for the State from afar.
I imagine they will file the suit in federal court in harrisburgh. I don't think they will ask for an emergency injunction on the scholly limits ... Not a lot of time to do anything with 10 addl ships at this point.
"You have to perform at a consistently higher level than others. That's the mark of a true professional." JVP
We would like some in FL, thanks NCAA...jk
NCAA doesn't want a precedent set that state bodies can protect their teams. They'll fight this tooth and nail. I just don't see how the AG gets this to go to court. What grounds are they using to file suit?
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
Here is the whole twitter run from Pete Thamel... Read from the bottom up.
1hPete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
Since folks have asked, the State of PA suit against the NCAA will be in federal court.
Gov's office being vague on suit, but it's expected to combat all NCAA sanctions against PSU. Not just use of $60 million fine.
Governor's press conference to announce state of PA suit against NCAA will be Wednesday at 11 a.m. at Nittany Lion Inn.
Here's official word from governor. RT @AP: Pa. gov says he'll sue NCAA over hefty Penn State sanctions after Sandusky child abuse scandal.
2hPete Thamel @SIPeteThamel
As I wrote this am, PSU officials have no involvement in this suit. It's coming from Governor Corbett's office.
Corbett will reveal the exact nature of the state's claims against NCAA on Wednesday. Could be a watershed case for NCAA.
Check that. PA is suing the NCAA. Not PSU. Very important distinction.
We don't know yet, that's the thing. It'll come out tomorrow.
There is a HUGE burden of proof on the State, this is a tough tough case, especially before we know specifics. I wonder how much the $60m usage is in this (I assume much more than 50%), and that is an easy give for the NCAA to avoid court.
it's an antitrust filing in federal court.... should be very interesting to see where this goes.
This post was edited by spud358 18 months ago
I doubt the state of PA does this not knowing what would be required to win.
Currently the NCAA said they would use 25% of the funds in PA, but it seems like PA is going after more than just money.
Think they could be focusing on the NCAA overstepping their charter and going after a criminal case? Or is the NCAA charter so vague that they can do whatever they want (this is what I assumed was the case)?
read this and just replace "penn state" with "the commonwealth of PA"
"Mitten says Penn State could then sue the NCAA on antitrust grounds with a good chance to win. Case law has given the NCAA broad authority to restrain economic competition when it comes to furthering the causes of amateurism, competitive balance, and the education of student-athletes. But Penn State's transgressions, wretched though they were, didn't jeopardize competition or scholarship.
So Penn State's lawyers could make the case that the NCAA's sanctions constitute an unfair restraint on economic competition. Bowl bans, scholarship cuts, and a $60 million fine mean broad economic trouble for the school, not just for its football team. Penn State could argue that a wounded Nittany Lions would hurt the university's ability to recruit students and faculty. The vacated wins would stay vacated, Mitten says, but everything else would probably fall in court. "
The NCAA dropped those but amplified to heretofore unseen levels.
To politicos who have nothing to lose, they can go after it for votes alone. Not saying that is 100% of wha tis happening, but don't discount that factor as well. Also, sometimes you pick the fight to pick the fight, throw all your cards down on the table and hope like hell you're better than them. They could also be aiming high trying to put extra pressure on the NCAA to settle money-wise. Lots and lots of factors when dealing with the politics.
Lefty, those ethics clauses are really vague and broad. They're also tough to beat. Idk, but I hope to read the brief tomorrow. Should be an interesting case.
172, in ref to ethics clauses...That's not for you or I to say, but rather the courts. I give your Governor credit for having more testosterone then the BOT. Let's do this thing in court!! Us men have to start acting like men.
This post has been edited 4 times, most recently by TpaFan 18 months ago
I don't give Corbutt credit, he's only doing it because he's getting his a$$ kicked in the popularity polls. He lead this crap storm and now he's trying to dig out of the political burial grave he put himself into.
First, there is no "1".
Second, no shit the courts will decide it. However, the courts in past cases involving ethics clauses in different settings have generally supported them. Each case is different but there is precedent supporting these sorts of clauses. We've talked about them on here before. That is discussion, and preliminary at that, between two posters. You know, the thing message boards were created for.
Third, "man up" and fight without discussing the pros and cons and using your brain? Give me a break. I'm excited that the State did this, but it doesn't mean there isn't a fight and we can't talk about potential issues. You don't think I'm "man" enough that's fine, but I wasn't a soft linemen in college I can tell you that, and I'm not soft on the CFOs of the agencies I deal with either.
Fourth, this isn't my Governor. If you read the thread you'd know that.
Fifth, and finally, if you're going to come at me do it better than that. Can't even figure out the quote button? Come on son (for rmj wherever he is).
This post was edited by MTayl72 18 months ago
Sooo? I get you don't like the man. I don't like what he said or did in the past... Now it's time to use him. Are you happy where we are?... just asking. So if someone throws you a life preserver, do you really care what he did in the past? Call his office tell him how you feel.
Heres an article from the collegian.
Only thing really new here is Lubrano: “If what we’re hearing is true, I’m glad the governor firmly agrees with my point of view, that the NCAA overstepped its authority when it imposed [the sanctions],” Lubrano said. “I’m [actually] curious as to why it took him so long to come around.”
Either this website doesn't exist or is not currently available.
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