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There is no doubt they are on top, but this all started when they started tossing kids out and completely disregarding the spirit of the rules. Just take last night and the the classes from 2008 through 2011. ND signed 87 kids, Bama had 109 kids commit. 22 more mistakes Bama was allowed to make than ND. There is no doubt that the SEC is on top, but at what point does the NCAA actually ENFORCE everyone to play by the same rules.
I want a hard limit of 23or 24 a year every single year in football. That is a full squad, plus two kickers every year which isn't even needed. You lose kids early, tough, 23 next year. You have injuries, tough...23 next year. If you can't manage go get by on 23 ships a year, you're not as good as you pretend to be IMO. No gray area, 23 a year period. Early enrolless count against next years 23. Same with Jucos. Every January 1 you get 23 ships, no more, no less. This idea of hiding kids or cutting kids to make room can still go on, but you won't have the depth you have right now.
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I'd make it a hard 25, with EE's included in that number, while still maintaining the limit of 85 overall. At no point should you ever need 25 a year, and if for whatever reason kids don't make the grade, or a bunch go pro and you're below 85 after signing day, to bad, do a better job managing your roster. On top of that, you should not be able to accept a players commit you don't have room for. No more of this crap of accepting 30+ commits while assuming some won't make the grade.
The solution to oversigning is simple:
There are two metrics to follow; current roster size and a 4-year signing window. Everyone knows the roster size, that's obvious. The 4-year signing window is a rolling sum of the last 4 years of commits. As an example, as of signing day in February 2013, you'll have to calculate the class of 2013 + 2012 + 2011 +2010. That becomes your 4-year signing window.
Current roster size maximum is set to 85, and the 4-year signing window set to something like 90 (adjust the window to whatever seems appropriate to consider early drafts, natural attrition rate, etc). This would limit the over signing/purging that many schools do.
Boy I really like that window idea.
I agree with some of what you are saying and I don't understand why they have the so called limits on classes when they have loopholes that allow coaches/programs to bring in 30 player classes... But there are also a lot of reasons the SEC and namely Alabama are on top in football right now. The resources that these schools have put into their programs is a big difference. The natural talent base and scouting advantage along with the SEC mentality that the HS kids are being raised in aids in getting the talent on these rosters. The coaching and pay that attracts elite coordinators/assistants is on another level. These schools have prioritized football (which is on par with the region) to a level the few northern/western schools have. Kudos to them for their achievements.
I like your idea. But I don't see it happening. There is the high road that is what the NCAA should be all about (the healthy marriage between academics and athletics with the balance in the best interest of the student athlete) and there is the Machiavellian way of producing on the field for rabid fans. This is how it will be.
There should be a rolling window in place. In addition, kids who sign a national letter of intent, but don't qualify academically, SHOULD count against class and rolling window limits. That would remove the Bobby Bowden/FSU, and Ole Miss methods of signing ~35 kids, knowing full well that a dozen or so will never qualify.
If you do 23 a year and happen to shirt an entire class, you have 115 ships to play with in 5 years. Now we know that frosh will play as it's the norm now so that number will shrink. This actually increases the amount of ships for everyone, but doesn't allow a school to sign anymore thatn 23 no matter what. There is no guess work. EVERY school will be then on the same playing field. Bama had 22 more chances that ND in a 4 year period. That is a full squad that they can take and then say...oooops to. Bama and the SEC are good, but this huge rise goes hand in hand with rise of oversigning. They will still win MNC's, but you take away 22 kids over 4 years and maybe they don't have room for some of the frosh they have? Great schools will still win, but something really should occur in terms of a hard limit. I'm not hung up on 23 or any number, just a hard number with no way around it. To be honest, why would anyone be againts a level playing field? Take the control out of the coaches hand and enforce the actual ship limit since the coaches now just work around it as if it isn't even there.
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If you do that, SEC schools are in trouble. That is the way it should be. Even if they don't qualify, they count as a member of that class and it affects the numbers you take the following year.
I still havent seen a good answer why A&M has so many commits (I think 37). I understand they have 7 EE spots open, so if they had those 7 enrolling this month, then they have 30 commits with a max of 25 in 2013 class.
I mean, some of them probably wont make it academically, but what if they do? I am guessing they just pull the scholarships right before signing day like some other SEC schools do.
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I think they have 10 EE spots available. Don't think everyone in their 2011 class was academically eligible. Also, not everyone in this class is going to make it with grades.
That's what frustrates me. If they aren't going to make the grade, you don't take the commitment and artificially inflate your class' rank or anything. Stupid.
God forbid the NCAA made these over inflated athletic departments do their job and check to see if a kid will get in prior to extending him a ship. I agree with those above. If a schools sends out a LOI to a kid who may not qaulify and he signs it.....you are on the hook for him that year regardless. No more do-overs. Do your homework and ensure the kids are qualified. Again, what university who is there to EDUCATE you men and woman would be opposed to such a thing? Only the SEC would have something to lose there again IMO.
I think the answer is simple, following the original posters comments, I'd give every team 20 new scholarships a year, no more, no less. EE count, no grayshirts, forget about the 85 limit. Just bring in 20 players a year, that way everyone will be playing on a level playing field. If you loose some players to academics that's too bad, bring in real students and that won't be much of a problem. Injuries? You'll have up to 100 players available over a 5 year period, so you have plenty of players to clear this hurdle.
It would be the same as an AAAA High School team beating AAA teams and pretending they are on the same level because their roster size is the same after cutting kids who did not impress. Would love to see a player by player list of every kid that left Bama over the past 5 years with the real reason they left.
The other thing that helps the SEC is what they pay their coaches starting with the HC all the down to the position coaches. It far out pace the rest of college football and a lot of the best assistant coaches are heading to the SEC.
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High school classifications are determined by enrollment, not roster size, but I get your point.
Schools would be less inclined to take transfers in this case bc you can get more eligibility out of a high school kid.. That hurts the juco program and other kids who seek a better situation for themselves..
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