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I appreciate the legwork, thanks.
I didn't realize there was as much talent there this cycle.
If we could get a legitimate foothold in Ohio, that would certainly help our program and would make things closer in my mind.
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
Urban is a smart guy, knows where the talent is.
I agree, this recent loss to aTm has much greater consequences that any bowl loss I can remember. OU always had the ability to say we were the best team in the immediate area, except for those two years Texas felt like showing up to the dance, and that we beat the living bejesus out of aTm more often than not. That coming to OU meant competing for titles. Now, kids (that aren't staring at Texas and drooling) are shifting their attention from OU towards aTm and the SEC rodents they brought with them. Bobby and Co. can definitely recover, and I still believe he is one of the best HCs in CFB, but they need to bounce back quickly. He's gotten fat, literally and figuratively, and IMO he's let some programs slip by him.
IMO a BCS bowl win, something more than possible and within their grasp nearly every season, would put them back to where they should be in Texas. Who knows if that will happen though. Now that derp-derp-Landry is gone, maybe OU can start winning some close games again?
Nah, I'm still here bruh.
Texas is much more big time than PA but you can not limit Penn State to just pennsylvania. Although i think there is still of un tapped talent in the state. Beleive me I played for the best teams this state has ever seen.... With Penn State clicking on all cylinders like it was before the sanctions. Factor that in for another year or two, get results on the field. Your looking at the penn state of old where it was a force in the northeastern states and maryland.
PS. I would LOVE to get down to Texas and see one of those highschools game......Def something im looking to do.
Penn State is a great program, no doubt about it. If we were in the discussion for the national title every year, we should've won it more than twice. We got screwed out of a chance in '94, but for a team in the conversation every year we should've won more than we did.
There are very few, but we're comparing PSU to other elite programs. I'd say OU's history is more storied than PSU, but I'm pretty biased. And yes, PSU is in the discussion for a top 10 job, that's what the thread is about . I just don't feel that at this very moment, PSU is a top 10 job. I legitimately believe that once BOB's time here is done we will be again, but as of right now I don't agree.
To be fair, most programs wouldn't have a guy named Joe Paterno sitting at home. The chance to play for a legend was a definite selling point for LJ, Tom, Vandy, and Kenney.
Poor recruiting year for Oklahoma...recently. Isn't recruiting very heavily based on what happens recently? Hm.
I'd disagree. I think of it more as which are the top jobs in general, not just for me personally. If it was me personally, I'd simply put Penn State #1 and be done. Not much argument when it's based entirely on opinion.
Another reason: money. Texas is tops in money, and that's what drives CFB. There's a reason money plays a huge part in which jobs are ranked so high. Penn State is right up there. Before the Sandusky stuff, they were 3rd in the nation, very close to Georgia, in annual net. As Seltz said long ago in this thread, money is a VERY significant factor.
Given all the talk about how strong Oklahoma is in Texas, 3 of the top 50 speaks volumes. I think that effectively eliminates pretty much all of the ground you were standing on.
They're an experience, that's for sure. My HS was awful, dreadful- but the district we were in was REALLY good, and the DFW area is one of the best (I'm biased and say it is ) HS FB areas in the country. I got to see some big time D1 recruits BTHO my friends every year, so that was fun.
I think PSU will be there again, and I believe we have the right guy at the helm to get us there. We just have to stay afloat through the sanctions, and then we'll get back to where PSU belongs in the CFB world.
If a school is serious about contending for titles, they'll pony up the dough when they need to. PSU does have quite a bit though.
Given all the talk that I put way too much stock in recent recruiting, we should definitely end the argument based on one recruiting class.
Yep, makes sense.
There is that much talent every cycle. It just never gets mentioned nationally, because only one school really benefits from it and that is Penn State. Because of our central location, we are an easy drive from all those places except New England. For those New England kids, if they want to stay "local" they have to go to BC, UConn or Rutgers. The top talent usually passes at those options.
Florida has recruited that area very well recently, but as a whole no one program dominates. I'm surprised we haven't been able to be more successful in those areas since we're essentially the only power in the area.
I mean, we didn't exactly have ace recruiters going into NJ or a staff that focused on recruiting the same as other big programs...
Hyperbole. We won a league title in 2008 and were quite possibly on our way to another one when all hell broke loose. Not as mighty as in the past, yes. Crippled? I disagree.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
What??? You mean kids didn't want to run through a wall for this young buck?!!??!?
I'm excited to see where BOB takes us.
Hopefully we can hold onto him, at least through the sanctions.
It is amazing to me that Joe kept his job like he did, despite the program running at about 50% capacity for the majority of the last decade.
We were fighting with a hand tied behind our back. If it wasn't for having arguably the best defensive staff in the country in LJ, Vandy, and Scrap, we'd have been screwed.
Imagine having a coach who's actually doing his job while we had those kind of teams. It changes the discussion from conference title contenders to natty contenders.
New England? Or the PSU area that I have defined? Because over the last couple of years, Florida hasn't taken a kid out of New England and they only took four total from PSU's area. Of those four, one of them was a legacy (Anzalone) and one of them was Skyler Morningwig who BOB didn't exactly cry over when he left for Florida. 4 players in 2 years... I don't see how you could say they are recruiting it "very well" especially when 2 of the guys are outliers.
Prior to two years ago, Urbs was doing the recruiting, which is a whole different story.
I agree with all of that. I defend Joe as staunchly as anyone, but wanted him to retire the last few seasons just as strongly. But that said, alot of other programs would have loved to have been as "crippled" as we were in Joe's last 7 seasons.
I was referring to Urban and his recruiting of the area.
Muschamp doesn't seem to have hit the area as hard though, which is good for us.
Eh... it's really not relavent then is it? It's not going to affect us moving forward.
True. I did the same, I was on this board harping about Joe having earned the right to call it quits when he wanted to, but I was praying somebody could talk him into retiring.
Also, a lot of other programs aren't considered to be national powers. This wouldn't have happened at any other school, no way no how. Barry Switzer was one of the most successful coaches ever seen at OU, and he was ridden out on a rail by the Board of Regents.
That being said, I'm never going to forget being there for 400 or 409. Probably the greatest sports experience of my life.
Thompson was another guy I was thinking of who picked Florida, but we seem to be OK regardless. I'm surprised at the amount of top end guys who come out of NE every year, regardless of how shallow the talent pool is outside of them. Its a nice little secret.
I feel like I have to make a disclaimer whenever I post about PSU that I am actually a fan, and this is my favorite school. I wouldn't be so damn hard on the program if I didn't want greatness or the highest level of success here.
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Exactly! While the program was running at 50% capacity, we won two B1G titles, and as fortheglory said, were in contention for another before the $hit hit the fan.
I mean, look at that. If a program can win B1G titles, and usually win their bowl games, while running on cruise control at 50% capacity -- Who wouldn't want that job?
We saw what happened when USC was running at 50% capacity in the 90s. We saw what happened to Alabama when running at half capacity in the 90's - early 2000's
Penn State had a reputation of stale offenses and bend-but-don't-break defenses in the past decade, but decent to great kids still wanted to come play for Penn State. And you can say, "well that's because they wanted to play for the legend Joe Paterno," but if you look at how things were going in OB's first recruiting cylce, it got EVEN BETTER.
I mean, if Penn State was that easy of a sell for recruits when hardly anyone was trying. And it was even that much easier of a sell with a FIRST YEAR head coach (before any games were played), what does that tell you?
Look at Oklahoma in the 90's before Bob Stoops finally came in there.
If you rewind the clock to before the sanctions (as this article basically claims it was trying to do), out side of UT (Texas), I think Penn State would be in the debate for 2nd place with everyone (especially if the writer thinks FLORIDA is the #2 job. I think that's an absolute joke -- maybe a type-o?).
I'm with you there. But keep in mind, knowing/remembering and pointing out the good doesn't necessarily mean you're satisfied and/or not being objective. In fact, pointing out the good is PART of being objective.
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