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And as much as I LOVE smart-a$$ NCAA/Erickson/BoT bashing, I'm not looking for it here.
Yes, I know that EVERY sanction is a "head-scratcher," but there are a few of the sanctions that are EXTRA head-scratchers (i.e. wins vacated back to 1998, even though the 1998 incident was reported and fully investigated by the Police).
Here is the other one that I *really* don't get. Okay, players were allowed to transfer without penalty after the sanctions were released -- but what is the logic for allowing that to flow all the way through the NEXT off-season? Amongst all the other BS, I get the BS that players were allowed to transfer after the sanctions came down. But once players decided to stay and play the season, it's obvious that if they want to leave, it's not because of the sanctions.
So, can anyone seriously get in the heads of the NCAA and figure out the logic in the transfer-wthout-penalty sanction lasting all the way up until the beginning of NEXT season?
My guess is that by allowing them to transfer after they played this season, it would give other teams a chance to look at film on our players and use it as a "recruiting tool" to better decide which ones of our players they wanted to go after. I think the reason was that they wanted Penn State to loose as many of their top players as possible and make it hard for Penn State to field a decent team. The sanctions were meant to destroy our program.
The only thing I can determine, strictly my opinion, is it was more or less a way to add salt to the wounds and truly make the football program be held accountable for everything that happened and is said to be a cover up to protect the football culture. There really isn't any reason why it should be a free for all for longer than this year.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
I sure don't want to make it look like i am in favor of the sanctions, or justifying the NCAA rulings...
But I believe the "rationale" they used to allow the transfers into next season, there was simply not enough time for some kids to look around from the time the announcement was made until the start of most camps. Kids are recruited in high school for 1-2 years, and sometimes it takes them that long to make a decision. For someone to do an about face, and decide to move in two weeks, and find a good fit, it's asking a lot. I even heard one story of a player who had just signed a year long lease for an off campus house, and didnt want to screw his roommates by bailing on it, so he stayed. Had he not been locked in with a lease, he likely would have at least looked around a little bit.
These kids, are allowed to take unlimited official visits, etc... in the time the NCAA came down, to the start of camps, there just wasn't the time to approach the process with any careful planning by coaches or players.
Which is why I'm nervious for what happens this offseason. A couple guys could start a domino effect.
More than just football
The thing that bothers me the most is its fine if there is a 65 limit but let us sign more than 15 a year if players leave or get injured so we can atleast keep that 65 limit
Was going to write something very similar to this but you did all the hard work for me... thanks! I agree there just wasn't enough time. I do think they should have closed the window by the end of this coming spring though. There is no reason to give guys until August to decide. And if they were going to have these type of sanctions why not just wait until January to announce them. Instead you have the clusterf*** of bringing in a class, screwing those kids and screwing other kids into rushing to make a decision and screwing the coaches because they didn't know who was on the team. The way the NCAA did it made zero sense.
If we can keep winning this year, I have a feeling there won't be as much looking around.
Hope you are right... and if there is, it probably won't be from the projected starters for 2013 or guys who played heavy minutes...on the other hand, could see a few kids that haven't played, either not playing football but staying on scholarship (Royer) or some others not on the two deep looking around...
I've thought about this as well.
I think it was two fold: "help" us get down to 65 and to hammer us as much as possible.
Personally, I don't think any of the starters will leave - especially on offense. They would be crazy to leave (although, I thought Brown was crazy to leave when he did) and it seems like the team loves BOB. I expect a few Haplea/Nowicki style transfers, but unless there is a Fera type family emergency I don't think we'll see a lot of transfers.
That's a good point, and raises another question of logic (yes yes, I know, "no logic" blah blah -- but SOME calculations must have been made, right?)...
IF they're going to sanction us to 65 scholarships, then why ALSO the 15/year max? Why both? One or the other, I get (as much as it is possible to "get" these sanctions). But, what is the logic to putting both in place?
I believe the NCAA views PSU as a bad culture and in their eyes any player who stayed may want to change that a year later. So they gave them a year to "figure out" what the NCAA "knows"
Also the length of the bowl ban had a piece of it
PENN STATE FOREVER
Ok, that makes sense (about as much sense as can be made in the context of these sanctions).
But then, like blackshoes says, why does it go all the way until kickoff of the next season when say, the beginning of spring practice would be sufficient.
By letting kids transfer AFTER spring the next spring practice and fall camp, it promotes/pushes kids to leave for reasons COMPLETELY UNRELATED to the "scandal" and/or the sanctions.
The term living death penalty comes to mind. They wanted to reduce us to rubble.
Dude!? I get that. Jesus.
I'm looking past that.
I'm asking, if they were asked in an open, public forum, to explain the logic -- What would it be? Their answer can't just be "we want to reduce them to rubble." As weak as it might be, there has to be SOME -- even if false -- logic.
It's a real head scratcher. The combination of those two things realistically make reaching 65 a veritable impossibility. So the NCAA, which supposedly puts student athletes welfare above all else, will likely create a situation where kids who shouldn't be on the field in a BCS conference such as the Big Ten are playing key roles. Let their potential injuries be Emmert's, et al. hands.
"A lion does not concern himself with the opinions of the sheep"- Glenn Carson
It might have lip gloss and pretty makeup on, but phila's statement is exactly the "logic" they used when doling out these penalties. I believe they specifically said "now they can worry about rebuilding their football culture instead of worrying about going to bowl games."
It's not impossible because theoretically you have 5 years with redshirts.
Oh, I didn't mean mathematically impossible. Veritably impossible, though, I think. I just find the hypocrisy about caring for student athletes above all else a farce.
Logically agree win and kids stay, but one never knows with 18 to 19 yo kids. As for reason, agree it may have time related, but I think dum bass wanted to finish program, strip it of all good players and hinder program ability to recover. Fact is he wanted/wants to kill psu football, afterall he feels it ismo diffrent than any other program. Ie sending message big timr cfb is on his radar.
Personally I believe Erickson and the BOT handed the sanction list to the NCAA. One thing it does, it first gives the perception that the program is getting hammered just short of the death penalty, which once it's imposed, is pretty much fatal over a long period of time, i.e. SMU. Instead, pull up just short and show the media and public that you've lowered the boom. This then allows for a loosening down the road in the event of "compliance" with some sort of mandate, and allows the program to recover sooner. The NCAA and PSU had NO room for error in the initial severity of the sanctions. Time will wear down the ill will Sandusky et al created and then they can say enough is enough. JMHO. Will it happen, I'd say 50-50 at best.
Not to us. But Emmert wanted his grandstanding to have max exposure so he did it while the frenzy existed. He's an absolute slime ball.
There is no reason that the sanctions need to run until AUGUST. February or March would have been sufficient. This provision basically allows for any kid who comes out of spring ball to leave because they don't like where they are on the depth chart.
It was absolutely meant to increase the likelihood of transfers.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
I think what I posted would be their response. I didn't mean to say you didn't get that.
In my opinion the NCAA is allowing the PSU players 1 full year with the NEW staff to allow them to feel them out and see if this is a program that they wanted to be part of in the future. If we were 1-5 right now and players were not getting the reps or seeing any future for them in the program the additional "off season" time would give these kids the time need to take visits and see what else is available.
I believe that BOB will do everything to keep this team intact, but also believe that if he feels a member of this group is having issues he may encourage them to move if that’s what the player believes is best for them. BOB needs 100% commitment from all 65 scholarship members and 100% from the other 40 non-scholarship Team members.
Now with that said, I believe we are going to see the opposite affect. I believe we are going to see kids wanting to transfer to PSU because of what BOB and the Staff are doing.
This post was edited by Wmpsu 18 months ago
We did pick up a transfer this past August. It will be intriguing to see what transpires next year in the Transfer arena.
October 12, 2013. PSU 43 - UM 40 (4 OT). Unfortunately this fan wasn't around long enough to see it!
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