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The Pence deal was awful. Amaro thought Pence was the missing piece and he was dead wrong.
Franco is the best prospect in the system IMO. Biddle is probably a 2 but more likely a 3 at the end of the day. The only thing Franco doesn't do well is run, but if he can learn how to run the bases he'll be fine. Remember, Scott Rolen wasn't very fast but he was a great baserunner. Hernandez doesn't have much pop, that's why people don't talk about him. He'll hit 5-10 homers maybe. Franco has All-Star upside and is only 20. Quinn is probably 3-4 years away, but has huge upside. Starting to show some power. Also, remember this: he's learning to switch hit. He's a natural righty, but all four of his homers (one was inside the park) are from the left side. He's struggled at SS, but he's learning that position too. Worst case scenario, he ends up in CF where his speed and arm still play well.
I forgot they were making Quinn into a switch hitter. It's a good gamble by the organization. He's been really good this month and it's tough not to get excited about a kid with 80 speed and good OBP skills.
The fact that he's hitting with some pop from the left side is good news since that's the last tool to usually come around. I'm not too worried about the defense. Sounds like a lot of the errors are fundamental things which can be fixed in time. Even if SS doesn't work out he's got the speed and arm to be a very good CF.
Howard deal was the number one worst move by Amaro. He should never of been given that much money. I do think Cliff Lee still has some value though. You can always get some value back for guys like Utley and Rollins around the trading deadline for teams looking toward the post season.
The problem with the Phillies organization is that they are a big market team that has never acted like it before. They must spend money to keep the majority of the fanbase interested but they are such an incredibly poorly run organization that they have managed to squander their own success.
The other, and most often overlooked, factor at play right now it the pending TV rights deal. If I own the Phillies I tell my GM to do everything in his power to keep this team contending up until 2015 without any care to what happens even a single day after the ink is dry on the contract. I'm not saying I agree with it but you cannot fault the team for trying to maximize that deal. The truly scary fact is that if they have managed the team this poorly with the money they have right now how badly can they do it with another 100mil/year?
The problem wasn't so much the money they gave Howard, but when they gave it to him. He signed the extension in 2009, when he still had two plus seasons left on a previous deal he signed to take care of his arbitration years. Obviously, if you had a crystal ball, his last game as a Phillie would have been when he tore his Achilles against St. Louis had the second extension not been given. Amaro thought he was being proactive by getting Howard's deal done early instead of getting in a situation like the Brewers got with Prince Fielder. Imagine giving Howard a 10-year deal like the Tigers gave to Fielder (albeit Fielder was 27 when he got that deal and Howard was 32 when last season started). Still Howard got five years and Fielder got 10. What is Prince Fielder going to look like when he's 37. Not good, not good at all.
Yep. There's no rush with Quinn. Might as well work on the defense at ss and develop the hit tool from both sides. If all that pans out you're talking about a perennial all-star. If it doesn't you've still got a lead off man roaming cf and stealing 50 bases
Why should we have to go to class if we came here to play FOOTBALL, we ain't come to play SCHOOL, classes are POINTLESS
I'm with the post above regarding Howard being gone after the NLDS loss to the Cards two years ago. Hell, after that loss, the Phillies should've started to "rebuild" rather then just continue with the same team they had.
Serious question for some folks who may know more about it then I do.
When does Charlie retire? Hopefully after this year, IMO. I think they need a change at manager too. What are the chances Sandberg takes over?
What about Amaro? Who pushes him out? Does it happen when Charlie is gone?
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
Charlie gets fired after this year. Sandberg takes over. Amaro stays for at least another year, probably more, because the people up top have no balls and love him.
Its baseball, injuries happen. With JHam Rangers fans were subject to watch him miss at least a month out of every season.
Just because they're your "star players" doesn't make them impervious to injury.
The best teams have depth, and the Phils have none. Your stars are also aging, which makes things much harder as the beating the body takes gets tougher and tougher the older you get.
Charlie's contract is over after this year
Second to a team with 4 starters on the DL*
Now all y'all need is a front office overhaul and y'all will be back on the right track.
True. My bad. Charlie isn't retained after this year.
Not happening. Higher ups love Rube.
Then y'all will continue to make "splash signings" that set your franchise further and further back.
I'm waiting for an ARod-to-Texas type contract that will SERIOUSLY set y'all back.
Ryan Howard was the deal that set the franchise back for quite a while.
To the extent ARod set back Texas?
At least Texas was able to get rid of ARod.
ARod had one of the best 3 year stretches over those seasons as a Ranger, second in WAR to Bonds and that was because Bonds homered every other AB and walked twice a game.
Howard's new deal for 5 years at 25 mil didn't start until 2012. Howard has the 21st worst WAR among all batters the past two seasons. Lucky for him, he missed some games or he would be even worse on that list. And this deal continues until 2016.
Yeah, I'd trade for the ARod deal in a heartbeat.
Not a Phillies fan by any means, but when a team gets old, you are going to have injuries. Amaro has hung his hope on hoping these guys get back to the way they played five years ago. It's not happening. Time for a rebuild in Philly.
Pitching has been been about what you would expect. Expected Kendricks performance from Hamels and vice versa but Hamels is pitching much better recently. The two young pitchers have pitched will since being called up to replace what they hoped to get from Doc. The big issue has been hitting. They definately need to be more consistant and with the injury's and lineup changes that is difficult. It will be interesting to see if they can continue the momentum they are starting to build over the last two weeks.
We only got a few years out of him, and the paid half of his contract to play for the Yankees.
At least y'all get to see him ding homers in a Phil's uniform.
You'd rather pay half his contract to play for the Dodgers? We didn't stop paying A-Rod's contract until two or three years ago.
Not saying the Dodgers are comparable to the Yankees, just picking a team Philly fans hate outside f your own division.
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