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I'll read the rest of this later, just started on this and this part caught my eye. The first Lee trade was absolutely brutal. He didn't even give Lee time on the market when he got Halladay, he just shipped Lee out to the first offer on the table. He could have gotten so much more for Lee, a top arm, 30 or 31 at the time and only 8 million due in salary plus the first chance to resign him. And he jumped immediately at Aumont and Gillies? That trade was horrendous at the time and looks even worse now.
I agree, but I was talking more about the trades Amaro made involving prospects going out for players. Everyone agrees that the Lee trade to Seattle was brutal and really unnecessary. It made it even worse the Amaro said they made it because they were trying to restock the farm system, but not one of these guys has been worth spit. Aumont is a wacko with light-out stuff who won't listen to coaching. Gillies is a wacko, too, who for the first two years in the Phillies system could stay on the field, had a run-in with the law and then last year was suspended after getting in an argument with a bus driver and Ramirez throws hard but it's straight as an arrow and his slider is so below average that nobody is swinging at it and there are hardly any scouting reports on him. That was a god-awful trade.
I agreed 1,000 percent. Having Lee on the team is no benefit other than putting people in the seats. For some reason Lee is a cult hero in Philadelphia. The guy blew a four-run lead in Game 2 of the LDS in 2011. Then this year he gets a single but gets picked off first base and the fans behind the dugout cheered him. Huh? I would absolutely see what I could get for him, but you can't settle for anything less than the team's top prospect. Unless you're just looking to cut money, which Lee is owed a ton of.
You gotta love the fact that the Phillies are willing to spend money.
They just outbid everyone for Miguel Alfredo Gonzalez.
I believe they'll eat as much as half of Papelbon's contract to deal him for prospects, too.
The sad thing is that this is the first time in franchise history that they've spent more than 2 million dollars on an international player. Phillies are stuck in the stone age.
They did sign a couple of pitchers from South Korea (Seung Lee and Il Kim) back in 2001 for a total of $2 million. Both were atrocious pitchers, though. That said, at least they were willing to take a chance on this Cuban. Scouting reports on him are all over the place. I've said mid-rotation starter now with potential to be an ace. Then I've read back-end starter and possible reliever. Either way, it somewhat takes the glare off the big-league club, even if just for a few hours.
The Phillies have announced the signing of two first-round draft picks.Which is a pretty good trick, when you think about it, considering that the draft won't even take place for another three
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I bet Ruben is still stinging from not signing Puig
Cuban outfielder Yasiel Puig could be declared a free agent, making him able to sign with an MLB team as early as next weekend, his agent told ESPNDeportesLosAngeles.com on Tuesday.
For every one Cuban that amounts to something, there are 20 failures.
A lot of teams are stinging from not signing Puig. The fact is the Dodgers offered him $15-20 million more than any other team. And as great as Puig has been, it's a small sample size. The scouting book on him is just starting to build. I'll wait to declare him a star until he goes around the league a few times.
No, I put Cuban and that is true. Just like the ones from South Korea or Japan. Highly overrated and few live up to the billing. Cespedes is one of the few.
Cespedes, Chapman, El duque, puig, Livan, Alexis Ramirez, Kendrys Morales, and Yunel Escobar have all been successful to different degrees. Its not like there have been 100 Cubans who have defected in the last 15 years.
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I was following online. Stopped after the 1st inning. Valdes had no shot. Game was over before it started.
His ball looked like it was coming from a middle school pitcher. Seriously. I saw an arch to it and it had no movement. 75 MPH. WTF.
This outing will take his ERA above 10. Impressive..... impressive that he managed to sucker the Phillies into allowing him a spot in the Show.
Tigers were -275 tonight, Vegas laughed at this game.
Think about what you're saying getmyjive11.
As far as I'm concerned, Roy Halladay is done! Gone!
Getting rid of Lee will almost guarantee a more horrible year next year than what we're seeing right now. Next years rotation should look like Lee, Hamels, Kendrick, Pettibone, and sign a FA. Amaro needs to work on the bullpen, which is a no-brainer.
IMHO, the line-up for next year could look like this:
1B = Howard/Ruf
2B = Utley (I would like to see him re-signed for maybe 2 more years!)
SS = Galvis (get rid of Rollins contract!)
3B = Cody Asche (Mikael Franco needs another year, or two yet)
LF = Dom Brown
CF = Revere
RF = Delmon Young or a FA!
C = Kratz and FA Brian McCann!!!!!!!!!!! (See ya Chooch!)
So, you want to look like a 75-85 win non-playoff team with no prospects over a 70-80 win non-playoffs team with a brighter future? You may also want to add the Cuban to the rotation.
Rebuilding my friend.
Give me your line-up for next year then.
1 - Hamels
2 - Lee
3 - Gonzalez
4 - Biddle
5 - Kendrick / Pettibone
1 - CF Revere
2 - 2B Utley
3 - TBD
4 - LF Brown
5 - TBD
6 - 3B Asche
7 - SS Rollins
8 - C Joseph / Kratz
Bullpen is a total mess & we have no RF / 1B at all..... Which need to be our 3 & 5 hitters
That's the team though
PENN STATE FOREVER
Pitching - I don't think the Phillies are in that much of a hurry to bring up Biddle. He has been having some rough outings in the last month. Don't know much about Gonzalez, in that is he major league ready. I would like to see both at Lehigh Valley next year.. Like I said, go with Lee, Hamels, Kendrick, Pettibone, and maybe Lannan or sign a FA starter. As for the bullpen, it seems to me like the brass wants DeFratus to show them he has "closer" stuff, bigtime! He is coming off some arm problems, so maybe he'll be stronger by next spring. Could be a sign to try and trade Papelbon. Lot's of good, young arms in the minors who can try to fill some bullpen spots.
Hitting - I would try to trade Howard as hard as possible. Even if it means eating half of his contract. Put Ruf at first and give him a decent shot. The organization lacks outfielders in the minors, though there are 2 or 3 playing in Clearwater that are doing decent. As for catcher, I know the Braves Brian McCann is a FA after the year. Joseph is no-where near ready. Sign McCann, who also gives you some nice power, and keep Kratz.
So, I would look to sign a FA starter, maybe another reliever, and an outfielder. This team needs some POWER, so that could be a priority.
First, let's stop with the Howard trade talk. That's not going to happen. He is guaranteed $85 million the next three years and nobody is going to touch that. The Phillies would have to pay most if not all of that to get a team to take Howard. That would be dumb. All you can do is hope he's healthy, let him play 115-125 games and let Ruf face the tougher lefties. You can also get Ruf at-bats in LF if you move Brown back to RF, where his arm plays much better than in LF. Ruf has yet to show that he's an everyday player and he struggled in AAA (especially power wise) though. They need to find a LH bat with some pop to play in LF. Revere is fine in CF. He has zero power, but is a good hitter with speed. His defense will get better.
If you go after McCann than Joseph becomes a trade chip. And if you sign McCann there's a good chance he's going to cost you a first-round pick unless the Phillies really bottom out and end up in the top 10. Pretty sure that's all that is protected. I'd give Joseph a chance. He lost this year, but is still young. Let him start in AA, Reading is a great place to hit, to build some confidence and then move him to AAA. Hope he's ready by 2015. Let Rupp and Kratz platoon next year (I know, they're both righties, but you don't have to L-R to have a platoon). They're both cheap and decent defenders with some pop. Can hit 8th.
The infield is a question mark. Asche at 3B and I guess Rollins at SS, although I'd love to see him traded. He's worn out his welcome in Philadelphia, but his contract with be tough to move. I'd trade Utley and try to re-sign him in the offseason. Let Hernandez play 2B. Galvis is not an everyday player. Bat isn't good enough.
You're right about Biddle. He's not ready. He should pitch all year in AA and all of next year in AAA. Maybe a September call up or early if he's really lights out. Depending on whether Halladay can pitch again this year I'd bring him back on an extreme team-friendly deal. I would shop Lee now, but only trade him if he brings back a No. 1 prospect, two other top-10 prospects and maybe a year's worth of salary from the Phillies. Shop Kendrick, too. He's too inconsistent, but might get $6-8 million in arbitration. Lannan is eligible for arbitration so I'd bring him back. Pettibone has been fine this year and just turned 23. If you keep Lee you have him, Hamels, Halladay, Lannan and Pettibone. I think you get rid of one of Lee/Kendrick.
De Fratus is not a closer. Not yet at least. Far from it. He has good stuff, but no confidence in it. Plus, once he gets hit around a little he nibbles even more. That's not a closer's mentality. Aumont is the wild card. He has lights-out stuff, but he's a head case. If he can ever get out of his own way he would be a dominant closer. Bastardo hasn't been bad, but he's a lefty specialist for the most part. Stutes is toast I think. One shoulder surgery already and now he's been shutdown after a biceps injury. Adams was a waste. I'd be stunned if he ever pitched for the Phillies again. Deikman has good stuff, but no command. Kenny Giles is a name to watch. Touches 100 and flashes a plus slider. Still 2 years away though.
Gonzalez will be called up in August.... He is expected to start THIS YEAR. Biddle is 22-23... If he can't pitch next year.... Trade him because he will be a bust. Time to play.
Biddle will pitch all of next season at 22. You don't give up on him if he's not ready by the end of the year. Plus, if he's real good by the All-Star break you can call him up and get him 10-12 starts. Cole Hamels didn't pitch in MLB until May 2006 when he was 22 and he was a much higher rated prospect than Biddle.
You don't pay someone $8.5 million a year to sit in Lehigh Valley. Gonzalez will be in the rotation next year. You can't trade Howard, so that's your 1B for the next few years like it or not. Ruf=Mayberry. McCann won't sign with us imo. I think it'd be more realistic to target guys like John Buck or Dioner Navarro to split time with Kratz. Maybe go after Saltalamacchia. I'm just not interested in another 5 years deal worth $15/year when we're trying to shed money for more flexibility.
I say trade M. Young, Chooch, and Papelbon. See what Halladay gives you at the end of this year. I wouldn' be adverse to a 1-2 year deal for a couple million. I have a feeling he's willing to take a major discount because of this year. Resign Utley for a year or two, obviously not at the price he is now, but I'll be interested to see what the number will be (Hopefully $7ish).
LF/RF-Castellanos (Pay as much of Papelbons salary as it takes to get him in the deal)
So with this plan you cut $70 million in payroll with expiring and traded contracts (Utley, Halladay, Young x2, Chooch, Pap) and add $20-25 million (Gonzalez, Buck/Navarro, Halladay discount, Utley) with plenty of room for bullpen improvements and extensions (Brown, Kendrick). Plus you give the farm system another year to develop and add a few prospects with the trades. That team can win 90 (can, not saying they will) and get younger. Oh I forgot to mention Charlies gone, so addition by subtraction. You can't blow up the team in Philly. That's not the mindset anymore, and I'm not so sure that's the way they should go anyway.
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