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Illinois Delgado destroyed McDonough last night, Delgado go pinned by nico last weekend, he's ranked 5 at 125, should
Move Nico to new #1 at 125 after this weekend
I'd add Jordan Conaway to a guy that should be ranked upset another ranked opponent at Pitt. Bright future for him.
Meyer4Prez "This is wut happens when ur team site analyst are huge homers glad Bill K+Alex G keep it real instead of getting our hopes up."
I'm not sure Nico jumps McDonough, as much as I'd love to see it. Conaway should definitely move into the top 20 this week though.
I think he will as long as he wins tomorrow. He's been on a tear since he got screwed in that match against McD and McD got lucky he wasn't majored last night. A lot of scrambles that got called stalemates too early while Delgado had the advantage position. That was not a fluke win for Delgado, he exposed McD's weaknesses and I'd expect Nico to have a similar gameplan next time instead of trying to grind one out and controlling pace.
Q will move up in rankings too
I'm not so sure Conaway has a bright future, because it seems as if Gulibon will start at 133, and he will be the odd man out, unless Nico redshirts and Conaway moves back to 125, even then I just don't see him wrestling much.
Maybe conaway could move up and compete at 141.....he's pretty solid and way better than i anticipated.
I think the thing that will hold McDonough at #1 right now will be that he has just 1 loss. One loss doesn't always drop an individual or team in the polls. Look at our team rank, we stayed at #1 after the loss at Iowa. I hope he jumps up, but just can't see it right now.
As far as Conaway goes, I'm holding out hope for the kid, but I have to agree that his future is limited. I can't see Nico taking a RS, and Gulibon will be awfully tough for him to hold off. I can't see him competing at 141, he's already a "light" 133 pounder. Retherford will be coming in at 141 next year too.
True, unless he puts on good muscle mass.
True, but our #1 ranking is based on TPI and not on a head to head team basis. Tourney wise, point wise, we have more quality wrestlers that project deep runs into the tourney. Combine that with their affinity for bonus points, and that's why we still hold the number one ranking.
The individual rankings are affected weekly and per match basis. I wouldn't be surprised if McD stayed at number one, but by the way he lost that match, Nicos got a good shot at number 1.
It's like that year Q got dropped to eighth from losing a couple and being out on injury. Whole nation still knew he was top two wrestler and he won nationals that year.
Gulibon beats him next year and no way he can wrestle 141 being small at 133........ Being small at 133 is all that holds this kid back. He is only a frosh this year if he bumped to 141 if he could beat Beitz next year he would only have one year till Retherford takes him out of the lineup.......
right now his only chance is to finish this year try and take out Gulibon next year at 133 then drop to 125 and wait for NICO to graduate. But love this kid only keeps getting better and never gives up very quick but just not strong enough at 133 YET!!!! I find myself rooting for him harder than anybody else on this team by far
Is conaway true Frosh, or RS, I can't recall
Jordan is a RS-Frosh
Could Guliban go 41? I didn't realize Conaway used his redshirt already I anticipated him redshirting similar to the Alton brothers. I know best wrestler gets their preference but maybe Cael would ask Jimmy to move up to 41 for the team and have a tougher lineup.
Gulbon won't move up to 141. Beitz is redshirting now and Retherford will be here next year. Unfortunately for Jordan, he's in a class that won't allow him to see much mat time. IMO, he'd be best to certify at 125 next year so he can be a backup to both Nico and Gulibon.
"destroyed" is a strong word....this will act as a wake-up call for McD....trust me, he'll win out and claim his 3rd NT....book it.
Did you get to catch the match? What was McD struggling with or was he just sort of going through the motions. I was surprised to see the score and didn't get a chance to see the match.
He is the #1 wrestler at his weight for a reason, no reason to think he won't rebound, but he certainly has some good competition nipping at his heels.
If winning was easy even losers would do it.
I meant "destroyed" in McD's terms, not typical terms. I've never seem him look so "not dominant" in a match ever. Even against Robles he looked good, Robles was just so overpowering against everyone he faced that year.
I do expect McD to "wake up" and finish the year on a tear, but man you have to admit that Delgado wrestled the match of his life with that win. I still expect a Nico vs McD final.
I am one of the folks here on the board that has just recently become interested in wrestling, due in large part, by our incredible run at Penn State. So forgive me for what might be an obvious (and perhaps stupid) question. Well, it's more of an opinion. It has to do with the escape point. The question is - is there a time limit to when you can get an escape point? From what I have seen, you can be rewarded one 15, 20, 30 seconds after you were in the 'lower' position (not even sure if that is the correct terminology?). My opinion is that they should do away with the escape point. They seem to be way to easy to get, and can determine whether or not a win is a major. Again, sorry for the lack of deep understanding, but I just don't get that escape point. Otherwise, I am really enjoying getting to know the sport, and our incredible team and coaching staff!
I saw it, and to be honest, he looked a little lethargic. He definitely wasn't his usual self, and Delgado was very aggressive from the start.
To make sure I'm not taking anything away from Delgado, the kid wrestled the match of his lifetime. He was getting in deep on shots, very active all match, and constantly attacking.
When he got up on the match, he didn't try to ride it out either, he kept attacking. He did also catch McD(which i havent seen happen ever) with some variation if a firemans and got two back points from it.
In summary Neither wrestler looked like their usual self, McD looked like he was sleeping and Delgado looked like a bat of hell.
In all reality, it'll wake McD up and he'll definitely avenge that loss. He's still the top overall wrestler in 125 IMHO, but Nico is not that far off from challenging him and is def the heir apparent.
Well riding time and escape points go hand in hand. Having control of your opponent establishes riding time, to get an escape you have to rid them of that control. Basically break their hold and turn and face them free of their control. That's why it takes some time to call it because that grip has to be broken. In some cases guys will hold on to increase riding time and hope for a stalemate so they can ride the match out. Over 1 min of riding time is another point, and riding an opponent keeps them from
Being able to score points. It's a way to control the match.
That's why during the Iowa match, when Taylor or Ruth would cut their guy loose, they would take their time turning to face them because they wanted to limit time they had to pile on points to get a major or tech fall, which give you bonus team points.
This make sense? Or did I butcher it and confuse you more?
No, it was a really good explanation. Thanks! My only point is that I still think it is relatively easy to escape that control from the 'down' or 'lower' position. Seems to me, most of the time you eventually get to your feet and once you do that, it seems very easy to twist out of a grip. And for that to be one point when a take-down (which requires - in my opinion - way more technique and strength) is only 2 points, I just feel it's not a fair representation of the skill needed to get it. Two escapes does not equal one take-down in my mind. But I am WAY new to this, and it's a sport I never participated in, so maybe my take is way off here?
It's all about getting a good jump at the whistle ... if you aren't working towards something position less than a second after that whistle you will likely be down for awhile.
But isn't it true that if you are down 'for a while', you will still get the escape if you eventually get to your feet and break loose? I think it would be better if you had 10 seconds to get the escape; otherwise, you were controlled too long and you don't get a point.
The problem is many kids are uncomfortable or the competition is just tht good (unless you're Dake against everyone but DT) that they're more comfortable on their feet than exhausting themselves trying to position themselves on top to score more points.
These days more kids want to score combos, get a takedown that enables them to tilt or get a pin because its easier and less exhaustive to force a scramble and come out in a favorable position.
It's just more work to get in position when starting on top and working to get back points or pins at this level.
Just wait til NCAA tourney, you'll see better wrestling and why 1 pt is worthy for an escape.
Ex. Guy A gets a takedown, up 2-0, guy B works for 58 seconds to get free, that's one hell of a fight to get back to neutral and a well earned and deserved point. Make more sense?
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