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Very good. It looks like the State has a case. It also appears that the State made some good decisions with this, most notably not suing for monetary awards which this website says will allow the courts to look more favorable at the States "standing" in this case.
This post was edited by getmyjive11 18 months ago
Dammit - I don't want to get my hopes up........but that's an awesome article.
Thanks for sharing! I also enjoyed the last link in the article which takes you to another article written in early January. I must have missed that other article, but liked this part of it:
***I've been told by high-level sources that the goal is to reduce the postseason ban from the remaining three years down to one and to eliminate or greatly reduce all scholarship limitations. The $60 million payout would remain but an effort would be made to keep the money in-state to benefit child-abuse victims in Pennsylvania. And the NCAA's expunging of PSU football wins back through 1998 would remain and not be a bargaining point at all.***
This would be GREAT for the team and would make a lot of the players very happy. I really don't have an issue with the fine staying, but am a believer that the money needs to stay in PA.
The validity of the NCAA will continue to take a hit as long as the new (today new) developments in Miami keep coming out. I have attached the quick ESPN read below if you want to read it. Basically in the article the lawyer in question is coming out saying the NCAA is trying to blame her and that she thinks they had a motive to botch this case.....pretty powerful stuff.
Excellent article...good find.
I'm not happy with this part "And the NCAA's expunging of PSU football wins back through 1998 would remain and not be a bargaining point at all"
This is the part of the sanctions that make the least sense to me. The Sandusky Scandal gave Penn State no unfair advantage on the field what so ever. And going the whole way back to 1998 when Sandusky was completely cleared of all charges makes even less sense. IMHO this part of the sanctions were to directly punish Paterno. I can understand how it's not part of the State's case because it hasn't caused PA any financial dificulties, but if the NCAA unfairly passed down the sanction without due cause how can someone pick and choose which ones have merit? Maybe the State/Corbett knows the Letterman are going to sue to get those back.
This post was edited by PSUFAN63 18 months ago
Perhaps the inevitable lawsuit from the Paternos will take care of the wins.
If things do get reduced and we gain back scholarships what are the thoughts on Bill staying longer than most expect
@meyer 4 prez I'm glad Bill K and Alex G keeps it real with us, instead of getting our hopes up.
Folks the vacating of wins are for Vicky Triponey.
she felt that Joe paterno forced her to resign. i honestly believe the whole sanctions ordeal was part of retribution, but the stripping of Paterno's wins was directly for Vicky
It would certainly help, no doubt. Of course, if the NE job ever came available, he would jump at that in a second.
PA is suing the NCAA.
The Victims are suing Penn State and Second Mile.
Now, it's time the alumni sue Rodney Erickson and the BOT for gross negligence and breach of their fiduciary duty to our school!
for sure. I get the sense that OB absolutely wants to coach at "the highest level in the profession" (his words about the NFL). However, only the best NFL coach stick with a team for over 10 years. Outside of guys like Belichick and Andy Reid, most NFL guys don't stick with one team for 10 years. OB is a relatively young coach and he's stated that he wants to only coach for about 25 years. Based on that math, he could potentially stick with PSU for as long as 10 years and still finish up his career as an NFL coach for 15+ years.
However, he is also a northeast guy. He went to school at Brown in Providence (which is actually closer to foxboro than Boston is) and loves to vacation to the islands (MV, nantucket). I think the Philly gig legitimately gave him pause, but I don't see him bailing on PSU to take just any NFL gig. frankly, I bet in the back of his mind his dream scenario is to stick with PSU until the Pat's job opens up. Belichick turns 61 this year so it's very likely that he's done in the next 10 years.... the math works quite well for OB.
The key is keeping his stock high enough while at PSU. A reduction in the sanctions would play into that perfectly. He set the world on fire in his first year, will get a bit of a pass for the next few years, and if the sanctions are lifted sooner rather than later, he might even have enough time to put together a contender. I think the worst part of the sanctions for his career is that it messed with his timeline of heading to the NFL. If the sanctions stay as they are, chances are slim to none that he puts together a great team until 2020..... Will NFL teams (and specifically the Pats) still consider him a top candidate if he sticks with PSU through the sanctions and is luck to average 8 wins a year?
This post was edited by spud358 18 months ago
The problem with that is, alumni don't likely have standing to sue the BoT. I'm not sure who would. Perhaps current students or faculty? I don't know, but not alumni.
It should be noted that the move was not easy for his youngest son Jack (per BOB himself) and nothing is easy when changing the environment of a special needs child. That is why I think that at least in the near future (maybe even the length of his current contract), BOB isn't going to go anywhere except NE. His family is there, his son's old friends are there, and it is his dream job (IMO). You don't have that anywhere else.
Unfortunately I'm not a lawyer. I do believe Erickson overstepped his authority in signing the consent decree. And I believe the BOT did not act in the best interest of the university in any of this and actually abused our university. I'm not certain on their motives protect themselves(coverup their individual involvement with Sandusky), finally get rid of Paterno, or whatever.
So, who protects the university against abuses of it's leaders?
yeah, I have to agree...stripping wins was mind boggling. That stinks of personal vendetta at some level because it accomplishes nothing in the big picture and only hurts the former players and Joe. I would love to see someone try and defend that penalty.
FWIW, I just read an article from Dennis Dodd from 2 days ago. It suggests that Emmeret could be in some hot water with the justice dept over the Miami debacle.
I enjoyed this one.
The NCAA is investigating itself over a probe into the University of Miami's athletic compliance practices. Yes, the NCAA is investigating itself.
Yep. On all counts, yep.
WE ARE! And we will always be...
I posted about Erickson's authority earlier. There are a few ways that MIGHT be dealt with in the PA suit. Still, I don't know how anyone could sue the BoT for breach of fiduciary duty. It's not an easy case to make, certainly not for alumni.
Love reading articles like this! The "standing" issue is HUGE an more and more people are starting to say PA absolutely has standing. What people don't understand is this suit probably wouldn't have been possible without a winning season. Here is why... The state must prove that the SANCTIONS have caused economic harm to the citizens. This sounds easy but the NCAA can easily dispute that the SCANDAL itself caused the economic hardship, not the SANCTIONS. Unfortunately that would've left PA with the burden of proof and a hard one at that. The golden ticket actually came in the form of a bowl eligible season. Because of the sanctioned bowl ineligibility the state of PA can now easily site economic issues directly related to bowl ineligibility; such lower revenues by airlines, travel agencies, merchandisers, etc... Check Mate!
Full disclosure, I am not a lawyer but a friend of mine is and the above points came from a discussion of ours.
Gov. Corbett meets with PSU football players. Wasn't aware that this was going down.
“All Penn Staters are following what’s happening to the NCAA very closely, and maybe the rest of the country is finally finding out that this organization isn’t what it should be,” said Sweeney, who served as president of Penn State’s Lettermen’s Club from 2010 through December. “Frankly, I think (NCAA president) Mark Emmert ought to consider stepping down because it’s apparent he’s lost control of his organization and he comes across as some sort of dictator.”
This post was edited by pwpitch 18 months ago
"I like your head, it's a good look." - James Franklin, to a bald reporter asking a question.
Hoping someone else strikes coIncident with Emmert announcing the results of their "external" internal investigation. Let the news cycle bash Emmert and then someone announce another action. Paterno's lawsuit or the State Auditor questioning the validity of the consent decree.
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