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I was more referencing the students and overall feel of the student body
No question Joe didn't put much effort into kids out west but that doesn't mean kids shouldn't be interested in Penn State. When recruiting services list a kid's "schools of interest", aren't they referring to interest from the kid's point-of-view, not the school's? When I was on FOS (and I started during the Spread HD/Rose Bowl era), I used to look at the top 100 kids' lists. It was striking how few times we were listed compared to OSU and Michigan by national recruits. And that was during Michigan's RichRod years. So, on-the-field success is not a requirement to attract kids. And if a kid is looking for a west coast feel and great academics, there are several actually on the west coast that fit the bill.
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I agree. I've lived in Ann Arbor, State College, and Los Angeles. Ann Arbor feels like an upscale midwestern town to me.
Not a lot of bars that serve beers in plastic cups. If anything, it feels like an upscale NYC suburb to me.
I think we just need to continue what we are doing this season, reaching out to places like Cali/Florida/South more often with solid contact and offers. Get the buzz going about PSU. Then once you start pulling in some of these recruits, I think it will open up those territories more as people will be more aware of those recruits around them going/looking at PSU sort of how they already do with OSU and UM.
If we pull 1 elite guy out of Florida that players in that state recognize, that'll go a long way in establishing a recruiting presence there for the future IMO.
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I am not sure what you are saying? The schools that put in the resources/effort into kids outside of normal recruiting areas is how you get interest. We just never put in much effort/resources to those outside of our normal recruiting areas in states like Fla/Cali. As far as UM recruiting during the RichRod era, RichRod has connections in Florida as he always recruited from there to go along with UM's already ground in that state.
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Heureman stated long before his visit or offer from tOSU that he was announcing in late May.
I agree with that, but HS prospects probably wouldn't. Unless they live in PA.
My bad then, last I had heard it was going to be late April.
To answer the questions about Michigan's national recruiting approach, it's been necessary for us to recruit nationally because we're not in a great state for talent like Ohio and PA, so we've been forced to look elsewhere to fill our classes. Another reason that we've been able to recruit nationally is the brand name and academics that we have. PSU has these advantages as well, it justs seems that we've been forced to go national for recruiting. Brady Hoke always came from San Diego State where he made a lot of connections in Cali and on the west coast. Our philosophy and push into Ohio have really helped us lock down who we want in the Midwest and then put more effort into out of state prospects that we're after.
Go Blue & Gig Em'!
Also about prospects that we're looking to finish the class with, we have 6-8 spots left so our extremely hopeful finish will look like this
RB(0-1)-Ty Isaac or none
WR(1-2)-LaQuon Treadwell for one spot and then another WR, maybe Massington out of TX or Devon Allen
DL(2-3)-Henry Poggi, Joe Mathis, Elijah Qualls, guys like Gibbs or Hurst could maybe even pick up offers as we miss on other recruits
LB(0-1)-Levenberry or none
CB(0-1)- Kendall Fuller or none
S(0-1)- Cravens or none
6-8 is a lot of spots, considering the classes UM has taken the last two years. That's 23-25 prospects. I have to imagine that 2014 will be a pretty small class, correct?
You made good points about UM recruiting nationally. PA isn't very deep, but it usually has good top players, and we're next to some hotbeds like OH, VA, and NJ.
Out of the prospects I listed, we won't land all of them but we should have about 20-22 spots for 2014. We had a ton of attrition under Rich Rod, so we're low on scholly numbers. We'll have a couple of 5th year seniors that won't be asked to come back as well.
For 2014, what have you guys heard about Kincaide? The kid committed to Pitt, is he good? He's one of several QB's that we're looking at for 2014.
Don't mean to butt heads with you, but it's getting close to where RichRod attrition won't be applying soon. From what I can tell, Hoke took 22 players (27 commits according to 247, but only 22 actually signed) in 2011, 25 in 2012, and now around 24 in 2013. I don't see where the room is for 20-22 in 2014. That's 71 players from Hoke's first three years.
No offense intended, it's just that every time teams are taking 22+ players every year for 4 years straight, it starts getting suspicious to me. And honestly, it gets frustrating considering PSU constantly seems to be taking classes in the teens. We get probably one class of 22+ every five years, where others seem to be taking them constantly.
I think there's an article on his profile here saying he did really well at a camp where a bunch of 2013 kids were participating. Looks like he'll be a good recruit, though it doesn't look like he's very committed to Pitt anymore.
No worries, trust me, I'd rather take classes in the teens than in the 20's. Our attrition seems to have stopped but there was some when Hoke was hired and Rich Rod fired. The actual number for 2014 right now is 16 or 17 but there are a couple of 5th years who don't contribute that probably won't be asked back and we have Lewan and Toussaint who could go pro, opening up another spot or 2. That's why I said 20-22. I'll try to find an exact number, because I could be off a little bit.
Yeah, I was wondering how committed he could be, he's already made 2 trips up to UM. Any other prospects in PA for 2014 to keep an eye on?
That's actually something I've been I've been wondering for a little bit.
Another QB to keep an eye on is Andrew Ford. He's visited PSU once (actually, his family has season tickets so it's rumored he'd be all ours if offered), but he's been getting mail from Michigan, among other schools. He's the QB for Cedar Cliff (Breneman's school). Ford split time with a senior last year, but should be the full time guy this year.
Personally, I love you guys going into Ohio and taking some of their best kids. I think the more national approach Urbs is taking will really come back to bite them.
Again, it just proves to me he's a 5 year guy (if that) and done. If he wanted to hang out longer than that he would continue building relationships with those coaches and HS in Ohio.
Ideally, we would take 2 QB's for 2014, most likely being Chance Stewart out of Sturgis, Michigan and D. Kizer out of Ohio(some say the top player in Ohio for 2014) but I'm not sure how realistic it is to get 2 high profile QB's to come in together. I do know both grew up Michigan fans, though. Have you guys sent out any offers for 2014? I know it's crazy to think about 2014 while signing day for 2013 is months away.
Agreed, it seems that the kids in the Midwest, specifically Ohio, really understand the rivalry and the ones that come to UM always seem to play with a chip on their shoulder. It really makes Hoke's job easier, not having to leave the Midwest as often to get a recruit that he wants.
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