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$9 million is alot but to someone like the new billionaire Jags owner, Khan, that's like a weekend in Vegas!
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I'm not denying any of that.
But being a great coach entails winning. Do you think the NFL cares about his ability to turn negatives into positives if he barely goes .500 ever year? No.
Before BOB gets called a great coach, he has to win. Until then, he is a great leader who is yet to prove his greatness as a coach. Great coaches win. It is the one unquestionable quality of all great coaches. There have been a lot of great men who could lead, but couldn't necessarily win.
I'm hopeful for BOB and PSU. Really. But he has to grow himself and keep improving this team before I call him a great coach.
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
Not sure about that, he was a new coach installing new systems on both sides of the ball including an offensive system that is, by all accounts, very complex (as opposed to Urban Meyer's system of letting Miller scramble until he finds an open receiver or runs) with a QB that probably wouldn't start at another Div 1 program. We have been in every game this year and with a few bounces our way, the record would be completely different. With all the blowouts we see each week, that's pretty good .
“We need to keep this (expletive) together,” Mauti and Zordich to Hill
Seriously ???!!!??? We clearly out-played UVA. We left 13 points on the board with the missed kicks. Against Ohio, it was the very first game for both the offense and defense in the new schemes. We played well, but a let down in the second half. We play them today, we win 8 out of 10 times. Bill O'Brien is getting the attention he deserves.
So you don't think he's great at this point. What would you label him?
I'd label it one of the top 10 coaching jobs in the country this year. I mean we could have hired Paul Chryst and be losing to the Youngstown State and UConn's of the world!
Did you read my post?
I think he's a great leader, and he's done some good things with the team, but you aren't a "great" coach when you are 6-4 and probably staring at a 7-5 overall season. No matter what the circumstances are. Great coaches win and win big. When he does that, I'll call him a great coach. Right now, he has potential, and that is what I'm on board with. We'll find out a lot more next year.
Chip Kelly I could see leaving because their just isn't the same culture at Oregon that there is at PSU. The fans are some of the most loyal here, I don't think there is the same thing out in Oregon. We are considered kings of college football, while Oregon is kind of a flash in the pan.
I have one upvote left, and I am not afraid to use it!!!
Really? Losing a dozen players a few weeks prior to the season starting including the #1 RB and WR and only real option at kicker didn't screw us over the first few games? I wasn't remotely surprised we lost our first two games and have found the coaching and playing to be way above expectations give the circumstances (and officiating).
That's more ideal than leaving after this year but even 2-3 years Penn State will struggle to find a quality HC with the depth issues and scholarship reduction.
“Never trust a government that doesn't trust its own citizens with guns.”
He lost his starting RB, WR and kicker
Agreed, that's why PSU should double his salary and make his buyout the length of his contract. PSU will need stability for the next 5-6 years more than anything and BOB and his staff can provide that.
It won't be a top coach, but it will still be a very good one. At that point you can sell bowl games to recruits, and you're towards the end of the 65 limit.
Yes I read your post, and wondered what kind of coach you would label him. You said great leader, which is fine. I was looking for "good coach, OK coach" type. Ill take "coach with potential".
What do you think a "great coach" would have done in this scenario? Lets say its Sabans first Hc job. What do you realistically think happens?
You guys are unbelievable. We are 6-4 and you think we have Vince freaking Lombardi on the sidelines.
I'm happy with what BOB has done this year. Really. But great coaches win a lot of games. When he does that, I'll call him a great coach. Right now, I'm simply hopeful, given all that has gone on this year and the fact that we have improved over the season.
I said nothing of the sort. I'm honestly interested in your opinion and I was curious what you think someone we can all agree is a great coach would have done.
Serious question, but dont feel pressured to answer - how does Saban do this year as the HC of PSU in his first HC job?
But that isn't how it works. Great coaches build programs over years. The game by game, season by season performance is not what's important. Does your program win a lot of games consistently? Is your program consistently in competition for conference or national championships? Saban has Bama playing better than any program in recent memory (that includes Carroll at SC), but he did barely hit .500 in year one. Maybe BOB does what Saban or Brian Kelly (this year) did and we go on a roll the next few years. Or maybe he turns out like nearly every other first year coach who has a mediocre first season. We won't know for a couple years what we have. There are other guys who do very well right away but turn out awful (Weis).
I am not saying BOB is incapable of being great, but we don't know what kind of coach he is right now, and we won't until he has time to build his program. That is why I have, over and over and over, said I think he has potential. But some people here are completely infatuated with the guy even though we are still in the honeymoon phase of his coaching tenure and he really hasn't done much.
Don't know how much more clear I could be.
I think that's a fair answer. Its just too bad we'll have these sanctions for so many years. I think the jury could be out on BOB for a long time with a lot of people.
I also think BOB has a chance to be great, and I believe he's a championship level coach. By going off of how much the players love him and how close to the edge we were to completely collapsing were huge for me. I think only a great coach keeps this team together, and he's done it so far. I also think he leaves only for a big market NFL team. I believe BOB has gotten advise that the PSU job is better than small market NFL teams, and I think unless Philly, NY, Dallas type comes calling down the road he stays for some years.
I don't disagree with what you're saying but in your original post you seem to imply that it would be no big deal if BOB left and I can't disagree more. What PSU needs right now is stability and BOB gives them that if we can keep him here for several more years. Is he a great coach right now? No he's not but given our situation we're not getting anyone close to him and also if he were to leave our team would be devastated by recruiting loses and transfers. So I think what people are disagreeing with you about is that you seem to imply that if he left we could just hire someone else and it would be hunky-dore which is the exact opposite of what would happen. BOB has received national recognition for how he's handled the situation and the way he's improved this team and while that doesn't make him great it says about about him as a coach.
I don't think he has been great either. I would label him fantastic to date instead. Coming from one with reservations about the hire. Much more than just wins and losses to me. There are things I haven't liked and we should have a better win loss record.
Considering the mountains (yes plural) that needed climbed and all the surrounding...erm...crap, I will stick with fantastic
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theres no chance in hell OBrien leaves for the NFL lol this article is laughable
Totally agree with you. Why would you leave a great place to raise a family and some very good talent returning to coach some crappy NFL team? There would definitely be less job security. One thing is sure, if he left after this year, I think we are in big trouble with the players still being able to transfer until August. If Obrien and his coaches stay, mostl of the players stay.
Disagree completely. Great coaches get the most out of the players they're stuck with. Great GM's/recruiters build programs. If the Patriots never gave Belichick a second chance after he failed at Cleveland, he would not be in the discussion as one of the greatest coaches in NFL history. Saban's first three MSU team's won 6, 6, and 7 games. It is WAY too early to judge BOB based on his record.
To think that is no chance Obrien leaves is being disingenuous. If an NFL teams comes calling, he would be stupid not to atleast listen to what they have to offer. If there is interest in Obrien there is always a chance he could go. Even if it is a small chance.
BacardiBuckeye: "But in all honesty I like Penn State, I want to see Penn State do good that's why I check this board everyday." 4/2/14
Saban also won 7 his first year at Bama. Pretty sure he was great that year despite the record.
Does that mean BOB is great? No. But it means you can definitely be great with 7 wins
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