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you don't see a problem with high major teams having 2-3 fans per team contacting recruits as journalists? If so, the clock is ticking on when one of these fans gets busted for recruiting for a certain school as an alum/booster. You realize a journalist is supposed to be completely impartial and not be "recruiting" for a school whenever they talk to these kids? I think it presents a problem when each high major team has 2-3 die hard fans that are supposed to be acting as impartial journalists. It's a fine line to walk. Like I said...only a matter of time until someone gets busted and more stringent rules are put in place about this issue.
I can understand the concerns of the staff not wanting the players being contacted by fans, but is it an actual NCAA rule that fans cannot contact players in the manner were talking about?
And if so, what is the rule? Not trying to be a prick about it, I'm actually curious.
It seems completely unenforceable.
This post was edited by PSU17 2 years ago
basically was typing these same thoughts as you posted this. Couldn't agree more.
Didn't say I don't have a problem with it, I want to know the rule against it is all.
Yes...only a matter of time until the NCAA is going to be forced into making more stringent rules about this. If anyone thinks that fans turned journalists aren't a problem at all, you might want to check out some of the details of Bob Lichtenfels from Scout (an admitted Pitt fan) and how he might have impacted Ishaq Williams decision a couple years ago. Biases and recruiting players have no place in professional journalism and it's awfully awfully hard for die hard fans like that to take up blogging and be completely impartial to recruits.
Have ever been a member of any organization that promotes University athletics.
Have made a financial contribution to the University athletics department or one of its booster organizations.
Former University coach or student-athlete.
Have provided benefits (e.g., summer jobs or occasional family meals) to enrolled student-athletes.
Have ever, in any way, promoted the athletics program at the University.
A University Season Ticket holder.
All of those are definitions of boosters who are allowed ZERO CONTACT with prospective student athletes.
the rule was posted above...many of us (and i'm sure the bloggers talking to these kids) are considered boosters, thus not allowed to be contacting these recruits without prior existing relationships. It's one thing for it to be your profession, quite another for it being just a fan.
On top of that, Sean the man that runs this place and has talked to the staff, just blatantly said the staff is not happy people are talking to recruits. Should mean DON'T DO IT.
If I were him I'd ban hammer anyone he catches doing it that's registered here. Hurt business maybe, which would suck for him.
Oh I know all about Bob L.
From the 5 seconds of research I did it sure does look like the NCAA has a rule against a booster contacting a player and encouraging them to go to their school. Didn't find the exact rule, but this is the language I found:
Representatives of athletics interests are not permitted to use social networking websites such as Facebook, Twitter and MySpace to contact or otherwise correspond with potential student athletes.
It's actually amazing to me. In my opinion there is nothing the NCAA can do about this at all, but I'm sure PSU is talking to their recruits and warning them about bloggers who are doing this. I would hope so anyway.
The NCAA's rule is there to curb it and enforce it if it gets out of hand, or blatant "I PAY YOU IF YOU COME HERE DAWG" twitter posts. Its also there as what I call a "seat belt ticket" rule. Its something to bust people on that they want to look deeper into their program for, or to take them down because of past actions. Remind you of anyone?
yeah this isn't just a PSU problem...this is a countrywide problem across CFB. It's just nearly impossible for the NCAA to monitor it all. It just presents a problem moving forward that every high major team with a lot of fans might potentially have to deal with. Only a matter of time until more stringent rules and punishments are put in place.
Agree with you completely. Seems like a very dangerous and slippery slope. If the guy is truly a fan I don't know why he would put PSU in a position like that, especially with the microscope on us like you said.
Yeah, but when you have a microscope on your program, you need not walk that fine line. I was on the side of the bloggers previously, but I agree now that it might be going to far. Truthfully, this is nothing against Sean and any other recruiting service people such as Phil who also contact recruits, but I do not see much of a difference between the 2. Yes, Sean and company are getting paid and are professionals. But aren't these bloggers also getting press passes and access to press events?
Although, I am not worried about Sean's actions 1 bit, but bloggers do still have that stigma of a free for all though we know they can be every bit and sometimes moreso professional than some mainstream media news services.
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
It would be nice for the NCAA to lay it out and enforce now rather than be responsive in the future. I agree someone is going to go too far and become precedent for others. What will hurt the most is that they're simply a fan and want the best for their university but will do the opposite. I think what MTay posted earlier would really open peoples eyes as I had no idea I would be considered a booster being in a family of season ticket holders. I don't run a blog but follow some of these prospects just to see if they drop plans on visits, favorites etc. but I wouldn't even tweet these guys congrats on their commitment anymore knowing this. I'd hope the staff would debrief these guys upon a commitment when they get a chance letting them know what to watch out for.
Meyer4Prez "This is wut happens when ur team site analyst are huge homers glad Bill K+Alex G keep it real instead of getting our hopes up."
although there doesn't appear to be a ton of difference on the surface, the people on 247 and people such as Phil Grosz are supposed to be impartial professionals. There is no standard for fan blog sites to live up to. I do agree that there are also writers for these sites can be a bit too much "fan" for comfort. No matter how much of a homer Phil Grosz is though, I seriously doubt he's doing anything dirty behind the scenes for PSU or recruiting at all or anything like that. I'm not saying every fan blog site is dirty and recruiting for the school their covering at all...I'm just saying the potential is definitely there and likely alot higher chance than a paid professional that is being held to a standard or they lose their jobs. Although I'm not positive of this at all and it's just a guess, i'd say the writers for 247/rivals/scout probably have to sign a waiver about following certain rules when contacting recruits...that's a complete guess though.
This post was edited by PSU12 2 years ago
Good ole' Bob Lichtenfels....
Man I hate that scummy S.O.B
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To expand on MTayl's definition - the University officially considers you a booster just by being a member of the Nittany Lion Club. Therefore even if you don't have season tickets but are in the NLC, you are still recognized as a booster and need to act accordingly around recruits or else you jeopardize our school's status. All of this is in the pamphlet that goes out every year (IIRC).
I also don't see that much of a difference between a blogger and a reporter for an established recruiting company. The blogger has a bias, much like any reporter for a certain fan website. Many blogger's have gotten job offers or moved on to working for an established company via their work with the blog.
I understand that Coaches don't want bloggers talking to these recruits. I would wager that they are probably not huge fans of the reporters for "sites" across the board. Most coaches have disdain for what recruiting has become and how the "sites" popularity has affected the hoops they have to jump through now-a-days. But I see absolutely nothing wrong with "bloggers" or aspiring reporters getting out there and contacting highschool kids if it is done in a professional manner. The craziness to me is fans that follow these kids through social media and then blast them when they go somewhere else... ie. Cam Williams, Armani Reeves. Though not a violation, unless of course you are breaking the rules already listed previously in this thread, this type of stalking with such blatant disregard for an individual's choice in favor of your own motives is pathetic.
With interest level what it is... You are going to have people talking to these kids and trying to gather information. Whether they are professional and classy in their endeavor or "hacks" isn't really going to matter to the information starved masses. I may be incorrect, but I have seen no precedent where "bloggers" interviewing prospective recruits has been deemed an isssue by anyone with the ability to levy charges.
I think it's just a matter of time before an example is made so let's not be the example.
It's a matter of logistics-for the already-slow NCAA to track all potential recruits across all forms of social media is simply unrealistic. However if there are reports made about potential violators, you can bet your ass they will hone in on specific recruits twitter feeds (just for an example) and search through for the people that make comments that allude to impermissible benefits, etc. and do their due diligence to identify who those commenters are, what there relationship is to a particular institution and find out if/what violations actually occurred. it certainly won't be successful every time but eventually they'll find someone and then we'll have our precedent.
From an Arkansas website, here are the NCAA rules regarding a booster's involvement with a recruit:
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No one wants to hear the rules, but keep fighting the good fight.
Some people won't ever get it, unfortunately.
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