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Worley bad elbow missing his next start... when does that end any other way but Tommy John?
This team is seriously hurt.
PENN STATE FOREVER
Hopefully you guys arent opposed to an MLB thread since it seems like a good bit of us are baseball fans too. I noticed some dialogue in th
Phila: Back away from the ledge. We're doing OK. But for the bullpen, we'd be in or close to first place right now. Look at the valuable experience all the subs (Galvis, Wigginton, Schneider, etc) are all getting. Starters have been excellent. If Howard and Utley can contribute in August and September, we'll be fine.
I thought the bullpen was coming around, but Quals sort of blew it today.
Ahhh, the optimist!
question #1: what happens in August/September if the Phillies aren't in a position to chase down? Let's be honest, the offense flat out sucks. Howard isn't going to make much of an impact. His injury typically takes 15-18 months to be fully healed. He's 33 (I think) and will be recovered and 100% in 10 months? Not buying it. Chase Utley is just flat out shot.
question #2: If last week of july you're 8-10 games out of the division, and 5 back in the WC what do you do with Hamels and victorino? Hamels has already told the Phillies that he wants 7 years, and 18-20 million per year. Victorino, like Hamels, I think is a free agent at the end of the year. If someone like the Dodgers or the Rangers, are ready to pony up 2 elite pitching prospects, and a kid who may be 3 years away for Hamels, I think Amaro would be stupid to not accept it. What happens if the Angels, dangle 2 elite minor league players (they have them), and mark trumbo for Hamels?
Add in Victorino, who has some value because he plays a very good outfield, has a very good arm, and when he does get on base, he can cause havoc on the basepaths.
these are the decisions the Phillies have to make. You have 1 FA to be, who will draw immense interest at the deadline if the phillies are out of it. You can get 2-3 very good/elite prospects for him, or keep him, let him walk and get the extra 1st round draft pick.
I personally don't think Utley or Howard are going to do anything for the Phillies this year, and Utley's best days are well behind him.
ahhh the pittsburgh fan! not going to pay attention to you when you talk about baseball! read 3 sentences and was done with your comment. The phils will be fine my friend. think about the fact that theyve played terrible and are still only a few games out. we have the cubs (not good) and the nationals coming up. after those series come back to me because we're winning right now
was not in my right mind when I wrote this. take it with a grain of salt
This post was edited by chasfcd11 2 years ago
be thankful for what you got in Philly
...last time my team, the Pirates, went above .500 (not even talking playoffs or Pennants, just ending a season with more damn wins than losses) I was 2 months old.
I will be 20 years old this August...
"Joe Paterno's the greatest college football coach ever" -Urban Meyer cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2012/01/urban_meyer_calls_joe_paterno.html
I am not a pirate fan.
Maybe you can throw some batteries at him or put a for sale sign in his front yard.
I have zero sympathy for the worst fan-base in all of US Sports. Hey only 7 more months till Christmas - get ready to throw snowballs at Santa
I have seen Pittsburgh fans boo a blind war vet, NY fans attack a mother and her children..... Please do tell me your city and I promise it is just as bad
Best pitching Staff in the history of the game or some BS like that was said. Before yesterdays debacle, the phillies had not won any of the last 9 games Halladay and Lee started.
The Phillies suck. Outstanding couple of starters, no bullpen and absolutely no offense. Best case scenario is that is a .500 team....... despite some assclowns saying a couple of years ago this was the best pitching staff in the history of baseball......
wish the trade hamels card wasn't already being thrown around, we have some old bones out on the field, not sure how much we are in position for a run, i know lately we try to make a big time trade that will push us over the edge for a championship but i wouldn't mind trying to restock the lineup
Not a bad post, but I think if the Phillies trade Hamels for prospects the city will flip out. The guy is an elite left-handed arm in the majors and still in his 20's.IF, and I say if, they decide to trade him, they better get an elite bat in exchange. Otherwise I think you need to pay him.
And I know he says he wats 7 years, but Jimmy Rollins also was adamant that he wanted 5 and ended up with 3 and an option for a 4th. I know Hamels has more clout than Rollins, but I wouldnt necessarily assume he is getting 7.
I was waiting for the "snowballs at Santa" tired old argument to come out. Maybe we can move out of the 60's and enter the 70s sometime soon.
Well when you have a starting 3 of Halladay, Lee and Hamels, it is tough not to make that a discussion topic on the national shows.
And believe it or not, they arent that terrible. They had some early season issues while Manual tweaked the lineup every single night, but as soon as some younger guys start finding their groove, they may be able to hold down the fort and try to sneak into one of the extra playoff spots. Thay have been on a pretty good run this past week thus far.
Can they afford Hamels?
Lee and Halladay are making close to 20. Rollins re-upped. Howard has an immovable contract at well over $20MM a year, Pence will be coming up here soon. Papelbon signed for immense change.
Yes, trading Hamels is going to upset Philly, but this is a big business, and sometimes trading your most tradeable commodity, will get the business back on track.
Philly still has Doc and Lee, who IMO still have 2-3 very productive years left. Worley looks like he has a solid future, if this injury doesn't require TJ surgery, as it seems most pitchers with elbow discomfort have to go through. Add in Blanton, and the Phillies wouldn't be in bad shape to trade Hamels for 2 elite pitching prospects and wait for them to grow, and by the time they are ready, they should slide right in as Doc and Lee slide out.
Again, all this is moot if the Phillies are in the thick of it come deadline time. This scenario plays out if they are over 6 back.
Phila - this team is old outside of a few guys. Bad planning on Ruben's part and failure to "get younger" when they needed to.
"DOMINATE the state" - James Franklin 1/11/14
Great points. I dont have the roster in front of me to see who comes off the books next year, but affordability is a key. But their track record seems to indicate that as soon as the Phillies say they are maxed out, they seem to push the bar even higher. Can Blanton pitch himself into a tradeable commodity? Can they makes a trade that deals some combo of Victorino/Worely/Blanton to clear room for Hamels? Who knows.
I agree that the Phils need to look to the future and stock some young talent, but I would rather see them use someone else to acquire that talent rather than Hamels.
And if they do trade Hamels, it would likely be because closed door discussions indicate there is absolutely no way in hell either side will agree. But I do not believe we are there yet.
Last year they did have arguably the best starting staff in the history of baseball. They did win 102 games.
It's a long season. Their offense is at least decent now. If (I know) the the bullpen had not blown 10 leads they'd be about in first place....even though the offense was horrendous the first 3-4 weeks and they have not played smart.
It's a long season......
Oh, they still have the best starting pitching in baseball.
OK then let's get to the old 700 section of the Vet where you were assaulted if you wore any merchandise from the other team.
There is a reason they had a holding cell there.
Yes, thank you, now you have some valid ammo. And it wasnt everyone that was assaulted...just those who provoked. Usually Cowboys fans starting crap. I saw plenty of games where opposing fans were barely looked at, and I saw other games that had everything from fights to gilrs flashing boobs like Mardi Gras. But I agree, the 700 level at Eagles games was a zoo.
The Santa thing is just tired and old. It happened once in the late 60s, and even they guy dressed as Santa said he deserved it. For some reason, it has taken on a life of its own with people who dont know the story, but use it as a key piece of evidence against Eagles fans. "oh, they boo Santa Clause there. Their fans are terrible." It is an uneducated attack.
Except it happened to other fan bases as well.
I remember during the mid-90s a guy wearing a Smoltz jersey getting thrown into a bathroom urinal. I remember drinks being "accidentally" spilled on people wearing Mets jerseys, etc etc.
I was at game 4 of the series and I've never seen such hatred in my life. It started the second they booed the canadian national anthem and went through the blown-save by "wild thing". I remember hearing the fans say such horrible things about Williams and his family.
Stay classy Philadelphia
Can a mod please lock this thread or delete it?
What was me being sad about good players being hurt has turned into a hate pusher spewing venom and as evidenced by his handle he has no respect for people......
Santa had snowballs thrown at him 30 + years ago Skip Bayless. Find a new schtick.
This post was edited by Itzsessil 2 years ago
Lol lol lol lol lol
All right, I get it, you hate Philly fans. Fine. A lot of people do, but dont get sanctimonious and say other fan bases dont do the same thing. I dont want to take this thread down a completely different direction, so I wont continue this back and forth. But seriously? 'Accidentally" spilling beer? Thats the oldest trick in the book to harass opposing fans. If you think that only happens in Philly, than you give Philly fans too much credit.
Booing? Spilling some beer on Mets fans? There are jackasses everywhere, and I mean everywhere.
The fans in the blue seats at Rangers games were legendary for throwing sugar packets at Bobby Clarke, a well known Diabetic. Browns fans throwing bottles and cheering when Tim Couch got hurt? Dodgers/Giants fans fighting that put someone on a freaking coma? Ask a Sox fan what happens when he wears his gear into Yankee Stadium?
I know Philly has plenty of jackasses...but constantly attacking them as being the worst ever is just lazy at this point. Fight at a Saints game? meh...no big deal. Fight at an Eagles game? Front page. Its lazy. Come up with something else...
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