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Can these two teams play 82 times a year please?
I am going to go cry in the shower... that is too damn much... WOW what a game.. much respect for the Pens played their ass off. Great game.... WOW
PENN STATE FOREVER
It was awful and great. Bad defense, lots of mistakes, terrible penalties, but so much fun.
Great game...Wish Vokoun didnt look like an idiot, but great game by the teams.
"Whoever’s trying to kill me isn’t getting the job done. But one day, I’m going to punch that f___r in the face."
I'm not even sure Toews would agree with this 5. Daytsuk? C'mon man. Detroit has 4 better players than him. You guys all talk about Crosby's toughness, but put Toews and Daytsuk in the top 5...wow.
Giroux might be top 10 on his best day with a good line, but never top 5.
One of the best stats in hockey is points per game. Gretzky and Lemieux averaged nearly 2 pts/game. Crosby is around 1.4-1.5/game and has never been under 1.2. Giroux has only been over 1 pt/game once. When Jagr and Hartnell played with him.
In 304 games, Claude has a whopping 255 points.
In 452 games, Crosby has 637.
5. Giroux (I have to have him on here, I am a Philly fan lol)
I think Giroux will be an all time great. He is only 25 years old! That is pretty young for a hockey player. Giroux will have a career similar to Datsyuk imo.
I have one upvote left, and I am not afraid to use it!!!
I had Crosby as a better player...... You act like I'm telling you he sucks .. His dives hurt him and he is a poor leader.
You might be right about Giroux. Time will tell. I don't get Datsyuk being in there though. Zetterburg maybe. Again, take these guys apart and see how they do. Crosby and Malkin rarely play together except PP's. Instead, Crosby plays with guys like Kunitz, Dupuis, Ponikarovsky(sp?), Colby Armstrong, Satan, etc. I bet Crosby would have loved playing with Zetterburg or Datsyuk for 5 years. I cannot even imagine how many point Crosby and Malkin would have if they played every shift together.
Not sure where you get that he is a poor leader? Seriously? He received tons of praise from the players for his work with the strike this year. Leads pretty well according to the players in Pittsburgh. Was nominated captain by the players in his 3rd year (youngest ever) not the coach. Not sure what players said about him during the Olympics, would have to see some info on that. I don't get it. Sure he dives and works the refs, but he has toned that down considerably since his 3rd year.
As for our debate, I just can't put Giroux in the same class yet. He has to score more, and win something first. I will give you that he appears to be a good, if not great captain. To get that team to perform well over their heads is an achievement.
Let's just hope that both teams play each other in the play-offs again, I am sure we will be chatting a bit then too, and I will still buy you a beer at a PSU game afterwards!!!
I don't particularly care for these harlem shake videos, but this one is a dandy.
Harlem shake of the Nicklas Grossmann goal. Feb 20th 2013
Philadelphia Flyers vs Pittsburgh Penguins
Paul Bissonnet twitted about this yesterday so I thought I would edit a little video
I don't get how you don't include Pavel Datsyuk...
Datsyuk is the most skilled player in the NHL and probably one of if not the greatest two way forwards of all time. This past week he went end to end on his own and scored a goal. The guy is aging, but he is a generational talent.
On top of this spanking right now, Read out 6 weeks. God damnit.
just one of those years.... if we get in we will either be so gritty and nasty... or burnt out.... Still we have a good 2-4 game lead on everyone... we could be 7-8 points out of the playoffs once things even up... so depressing
Agree Datsyuk is in top 5, though "skill" doesnt exactly correlate with being "better" in the game
IMO (for the following): Crosby is the "best" player in the game due to a combination of skill, speed, and his abnormal hockey IQ and ability to see the ice like no other. His skill occasionally causes you to
In terms of skill, Malkin would be right up there at 2a or 2b with Crosby (and could be argued by some to be 1b with Datsyuk). Malkin's size combined with his skill bumps him up to either #2 or 1b with Crosby as the "best" in the game. I would give the nod to Malkin as more "skilled" than Crosby, but Crosby gets the nod as the better player.
Datsyuk is the most skilled player in the game with his ability to make you go .
Combine the skill of Datsyuk, the abnormal hockey IQ/speed of Crosby, and the size of Malkin and you would have a centennial player.
You just described Datsyuk.
Eric Lindros says hello. Lindros had hockey IQ/speed, skill and size. He was the next one hands down. Injuries and controlling parents ruined him.
Agreed skill doesn't make a great player, or else Semin would be leading the league. Datsyuk is skill in so many aspects of the game. There is nothing that he isn't good at really. He puts up points, but yet he prides himself on defense. Some even call him the third defenseman.
This post was edited by CKpsu5220 17 months ago
Well, you were making a good argument until you mentioned Lindros.
He was yesterday's Ovechicken. Caught up with trying to decapitate players for the big hit, which usually was dirty. Those short choppy strides used to drive me nuts. Love that a guy who weighs 160 (and probably the ugliest player ever - since we were talking looks before) took his over-rated arse out of the game.
Wait, please tell me you're calling Lindros a dirty player and are happy that Kasparaitis gave him a concussion. He was a scumbag of a player for every team he played for. Also, the hit that effectively ended Lindros' career was by Stevens, who was a big bigger than 160. Hell both of them weighed well over 200. If you're talking about another hit, then I'm not sure. Either way, you clearly only think he was overrated because you're a pens fan.
Everyone in the world knows he didn't live up to his potential and most people think he underachieved his entire career. If anything, his production was underrated. He just had too many injuries to keep going.
Put it this way, if Sid played in that era, he never would have sat out for as long as he did. Because of that, he would have gotten hurt repeatedly and played through it. He would have screwed himself and never been the same. Everyone would have told him he underachieved, like they say about Lindros.
Instead, he plays during an era where people recognize that head injuries are very severe and he had the luxury of sitting out almost a year without people calling him out, like they would have 15 years ago. Your hatred is clearly clouding your judgment on how Lindros is perceived.
You realize of course that Lindros for his first 8 years of his career (the flyers years) his numbers were very similar, if not better, than Crosby right? On a per game basis (which you claim to be the most important stat), you could argue that Lindros was the better player. It would be more obvious if injuries hadn't cut Lindros down so much. He only played over 73 games once in his career (when he was older and much less responsibility). Let's also not forget that he won an MVP, wouldn't call that overrated.
If I were you, I'd look at Lindros' career progression as a warning for your boy crosby. If these injuries continue, he could just as easily be out of the league in 5 years like Eric was.
If Lindros would have reached his full potential, free of injuries etc. he would have been an all time top 5 player. No question about that. What I am saying is that a healthy Lindros had everything. He was the perfect forward for that era. An era where a defenseman could grab you and it was fine. Sidney Crosby benefits from a game that is pretty soft in terms of what a defenseman could do. Lindros played through all that and still dominated the game. They were both generational talents in their respective eras. I think its unfair to compare them to Gretzky or some other great because the game has changed so much over the decades. Goalies have bigger pads and the rules are different. If Crosby and Lindros played when Gretzky entered the league they would have put up ridiculous numbers! Also athletes are bigger, faster and stronger making scoring a lot harder.
You can't deny the skill set that Lindros possessed. In his era he was unstoppable barring injuries and I think he was better than Crosby. Maybe I am a tad biased. I don't like Crosby, but I will say he is the most talented player in the game at the moment. Bottom line is that they were both special players in their respective eras.
Wow - that's quite a stretch..... Give me what you're smoking.
"If Lindros would have reached his full potential, free of injuries etc. he would have been an all time top 5 player. No question about that."
He wouldn't even be the best Flyer of all time.
Lindros' PPG average with the Flyers (which included 1 bad year, the misdiagnosed concussion year) was 1.35. That would put him at #6 on the all-time PPG list. You think it would be hard for him to continue those numbers if he had stayed healthy? I say he would have been just fine. Top 5 isn't as far away as you think.
Imo, the game was tougher back then, in today's game a young Lindros would be unbelievable.
It's also not as close as you think. Definitely in the top 5 would be Gretzky, Lemieux, Gordie Howe, Bobby Orr, so that leaves one opening for debate.
I'll name one guy that doesn't belong: Eric Lindros
This post was edited by PSU2001 17 months ago
He never said Lindros belongs? He said "If he would have reached his potential AND remained injury free." Neither of those happened, so your point is moot. He may not be correct, but his point is unprovable either way.
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