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I was quoting a movie. Just happened to watch the other guys last night
@meyer 4 prez I'm glad Bill K and Alex G keeps it real with us, instead of getting our hopes up.
1. Get VIP access (it's free now).
2. Read the S-Zone to see all of the names the Staff is looking at.
3. Check the kids' profiles. Be amazed at how many recruits have "NR" and small-time or no offers.
4. Wonder who the kid is when PSU offers and watch rmj's HUDL video post.
5. Wait for the recruiting ranking and be amazed that "NR" changes to "88" or "92".
6. Watch Ohio State, Notre Dame, and Georgia Tech throw him an offer in the next week.
7. Scan the Camp reports to see how guys PSU offered early blow up and win MVP awards.
8. Listen to "experts" rave about how "underrated" (ie. Reeder and Wangler) PSU's kids are.
Sorry, crombola actually made a good point and felt compelled to help the dude out.
EDIT: Is that a good movie? I've seen it listed on either HBO or Showtime but have never seen it.
This post was edited by EWPSU94 10 months ago
Well, you do have some of OBs players on the team from last year. Trevor Williams and Jordan Lucas will probably be our starting corners next year. Daquan Davis played a lot at CB last year and he's an OB recruit as well.
You could also look at what the staff did with talent they didn't recruit, and how they moved people around that the previous staff never did. You think Lehman would have played if OB hadn't come on board?
Ask the staffs around the country who follow BOB around and offer kids after he does.
This does not mean they will pan out as quality college players. I think most will, as they usually do, but there are no guarantees. We have not seen a large enough pool of BOB's recruits to accurately assess his knack for evaluating talent.
Shavi's post is the most accurate regarding this.
Read an article this week (forgive me for not having the link handy) that this staff is already becoming one of the select few staffs that other programs will shadow knowing they will be lead to good prospects that have yet to be discovered. In less than two years, you can already name a number of kids who blew up with offers, but not before our staff had already identified them well in advance.
I have seen enough of his coaching to not be remotely concerned with player development. The fact that kids we offer blow up afterwards is enough for me to not worry about his evals. What exactly is it that people are worried about?
This post was edited by Itzsessil 10 months ago
Not sure if people are *worried*. Some folks just throwing a little "let's not count our chickens before they hatch" sentiment out there. Of course, we Penn Staters have had enough people raining on our parade the past couple years so the somewhat fair question rankled a few people.
Looking at how they pan out is certainly a part as well. But there's no reason for anyone to act like recruits blowing up should be discarded. Basing things on how kids pan out only is crazy. BOB could be a great evaluator and terrible coach. If he coaches like crap and players don't improve, it doesn't mean he can't evaluate, it means he can't coach.
Also, you have to look at kids PSU didn't land to see the evaluations. For example, PSU took Worley/probably Vincent JR. at CB this year over Truitt (who was ranked the highest of both to start out on here). You'd have to compare all of those. You also have to look at Hooker, who will probably end up elsewhere, but PSU was on before everyone else and now all of a sudden he has an elite set of offers. So much goes into this and it's really an almost impossible undergoing because of it.
All we can base it on is the factors we can see, and I think it's fair to say BOB is a good talent evaluator right now and should be trusted. For one, I think he should get the benefit of the doubt at this point. He hasn't proven to be an inept recruiter, so for now I think he should at least not be looked at unfavorably. Also, the evidence we do have tends to suggest that he's good at it.
Again, it's not black and white as saying "He's a great evaluator" or "there's no evidence that he's a great evaluator." There certainly is evidence, and it's positive evidence so far, but not so much that it's conclusive that he's a "great" evaluator.
I fully agree that there isn't anything to be concerned about. I'm only pointing out that we are basing our excitement and support based on evaluations and rankings and not on actual body of work on the field. In saying this, crombola is correctly asking how people are so hell-bent that BOB and staff are great recruiters when their players have not seen a significant amount of time to prove one way or the other.
I couldn't resist - crombola should change his username to crapola.
Yes, I understand you can have the RichRod (or Zook) effect and such when it comes to recruits/coaching and I will not argue that point. I will say that we have last year as a barometer for how well BOB and staff can coach. They have proven on the field that they know what they are doing. So I'm definitely not worried about that occurring with this staff.
Again, I'm not arguing whether or not BOB and the staff can evaluate players as I think they can. The formula for all of this becomes extremely complicated once you start looking at a number of variables. I'm only stating from a factual standpoint that we have not seen enough of BOB's kids playing to fully evaluate this. This means that some people are entitled to their opinion of questioning this situation.
AGAIN, I AM NOT QUESTIONING BOB AND HIS STAFF ON THEIR ABILITY TO EFFECTIVELY EVELUATE FOOTBALL TALENT. I am only stating that people have the right to question due to the lack of data. You can think of this as uncertainty due to lack of data.
If you happen to remember where you read it and wouldn't mind posting it, I'd appreciate it.
Wasn't that a 247 article?
“We’re doing things we couldn’t imagine,” says safety Stephen Obeng-Agyapong. “But we’re doing them together.”
i think his age is a drawback to some
Yes. It's the Staying Ahead of the Game thread.
That would be player development, not scouting.
Found it. Can't believe I missed this.
It ain't terrible. Some funny parts. I usually like will ferrel movies but wasn't one of his best i think
I'd say it's both.
I understand your point and agree with it. I still question it myself. My point was, and still is, that crombola's statement implying that there is very little data is incorrect. There is a decent amount of data. More is necessary to make conclusive judgments, but there's at least enough to give some praise to the staff's evaluating ability.
Definitely both. That was part of my long rant. It's also very difficult to determine which factor plays into the poor development more in individual cases, but a bit easier in aggregate.
If someone doesn't pan out and I'm the guy who scouted him then the issue is clearly on the player development side. If I'm the coach then it's clearly a scouting issue.
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